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Tuesday unveiled major rifts in Republican Party
Friday, Nov. 6, 2009 | 2:03 a.m.
Rather than celebrate the election of Republican governors in Virginia and New Jersey, members of the GOP should worry about the happenings in the 23rd District in upstate New York. Democratic nominee Bill Owens ran against Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava.
Not happy with her candidacy, conservative Republicans supported Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party nominee. Instead of endorsing the Republican candidate, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and others on the right endorsed Hoffman, forcing Ms. Scozzafava to drop out.
Scozzafava in turn threw her support to Owens, who was elected Tuesday. He is the first Democrat to represent this congressional district since the Civil War. So not only are Republicans completely at odds with Democrats, but they are also now fighting among themselves, forcing many moderate Republicans to become independents. There are major problems in the GOP.
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"but they are also now fighting among themselves"
The point that Richard J. Mundy would not want you to know is there was no primary to select the Republican.
Dede Scozzafava who support the Democrat in the race was not select by the people in a primary.
Richard, you need to get real. DeDe was a shame who acted more likd a dem than a republican. She supported every dem proposal and was more liberal than most democratic members of congress, but she called herself a republican only in order to try and get elected in a republican district. The real conservatives stood up and would not allow this shame to take place. The republican canidate was only running for three weeks before the election and still pulled a healthy amount of the votes. So, give me a break when you talk about a split in the republican party.
Nice try Dick. However, no matter how you spin it, as they say in the hood; BO and the libs got owned!
I notice Mr Mundane refuses to acknowledge that Obama's two boys got their butts kicked in Jersey and Virginia by landslides. I cannot wait for the 2010 elections so we can get some intelligent people elected into the congress. Bye-bye Titus.
There is no major rift in the Democratic Party.
They are having no problem lining up votes behind ObamaCare. There is no split between the Blue Dogs and Libs. For instance, in the Senate all the Democrats are voting for ObamaCare (LOL).
Also, the whole deal with Lieberman is not a major thingy either. So what that they nominated somebody other than Liberman and Lieberman had to run as an independent. So many Democrats want to strip Liberman of his chairmanship.
There is no major rift in the Democratic Party.
It is one big happy family.
BREAKING NEWS!!! The Ft. hood killer has a lot in common with Bishops Mitt & Orrin Hatch. The killer was seeking to be discharge because he was a "conscientious objector". Mitt & Hatch did the same thing during the Vietnam War. In violation of the US Selective Service Board's(draft) BAN, on all religious military draft deferments, Mitt & Hatch cut and ran from the Vietnam WAr. Mitt, "I wasn't drafted because I had a high lottery draft number". TRUTH: Gov. George Romney was a Nixon cabinet member and just like cong. GHWB, both were determined their boys would never set-foot in Vietnam.
Elijah Muhammad (WWII) and his son, Wallace D. Muhammad (Vietnam), they pulled the Mitt & Hatch trick, religious draft evasion. Elijah and Wallace both served 3 federal prison sentences for religious draft evasion. Elijah was Muhammad Ali's relgious adviser. Therefore, if Obama has any "STONES", Mitt & Hatch owe the HOOD 3 years in federal prison too.
I was going to say nice spin, but this isn't even a good try.
I see Blubbo (BJ) Klynton volunteered to serve his country. He got a deferment because his butt was so big it would be too easy of a target.
What Tuesday revealed wasn't a rift in the GOP, but rather the simple fact that people are sick and tired of the religious right trying to control the law-making process and ramming their ideals down other's throats. The Republican Party of today is indistinguishable from the Constitution Party of the 70's and 80's with their emphasis on Biblical principles.
Most people would love to have sound fiscal policies, but NOT at the price of having our personal freedom taken over by Bible-thumpers.
"The point that Richard J. Mundy would not want you to know is there was no primary to select the Republican. Dede Scozzafava who support the Democrat in the race was not select by the people in a primary."
So what you are saying is that the Republican party is so incompetent, they couldn't find a single Republican to run in a historically Republican district, where Republicans far outnumber the Democrats?
So they run a Republican, give him hundreds of thousands of dollars, force Scozzafava to drop out, give him help from Republican "All-Stars" like Sarah Palin and he still lost.
And this is proof of what? Republican imcompetence? Poor preparation? Republican shame? My guess is all of the above.
Richard Mundy appears to be a weekly wailer to the LV SUN. He lives on the far left side of Vegas.
Just maybe the referred New York shows democracy in action and we just might see more of it in the next election. In this case, Independents and conservatives did not like the far left Republican candidate and decided to do something about it.
Scozzafava showed her true colors when she supported the Democrat candidate.
If the newly elected Democrat congressman wants to keep his office, then he better listen to the people he is representing or maybe he will be running against an unified candidate during the next election.
Hey Richard: First New York is a blue state to begin with and Dede Scozzafava is a RINO! (Republican In Name Only) We don't need her. Real Republicans won in New Jersey and Virginia as there new Governors thats all that matters here.
NY is a blue state.
NY-23 is an overwhelmingly RED district. They hadn't sent a Democrat to the House for over a century.
Republicans ran a far-right fringe candidate that scared voters away from the Republican party.
PvtRock.....PvtRock.......what are we going to do with you? Again, you have missed the point!
Your post attempting to say that the Democrats aren't "one happy family" would be one of credence if one did not know that the Democrat Party has always been a party that loves to and encourages disagreement among its members.
That's what makes the Democrat Party the Democrat Party. The whole history of the party is built on that concept....
The Democrats, unlike the GOP, allows, encourages, and makes a place for people with a wide range of opinions and beliefs.
Conservatives, moderates and liberals all can be found in the Democrat Party. Not true with the Republican Party, however.
Matter of fact, the GOP has no liberals/progressives in its party and is doing its best to chase out of the party anyone who might be considered a moderate...
We all know what party Teddy Roosevelt would belong to today if he was around.....Teddy, the progressive, would not be welcome in the present day GOP.
Will Rogers said it best...."I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a Democrat."
There is also a rift between Neocon and libertarian Republicans and a rift between Republicans who focus on immigration and abortion and those who want to focus on limiting government power.
Btw, I don't think the Democrats are all singleminded, marching in lock step with each other either.
El Lobo,
I'm not a member of the Republican party, never have and never will be. I am independent.
That said, you still don't know a single thing about them. They are not some single-minded organization that doesn't let other people in. There is no litmus test that makes you a member - just like the Democrats they are an organization with many members and many disagreements.
Btw, are you too young to forget about what happened to Senator Lieberman? Democrat hardliners all but wanted to string him up by his toes because he was too moderate for them.
ps
"Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for."
- Will Rogers
You host dinner parties with Karl Rove, Patrick.
"Independent?" Not even close.
I'd host a dinner party with Arne Duncan, Michelle Rhee, Joe Williams, John Stossel, Drew Carey, and Penn and Teller -- if I could get them. Heck I'd even have dinner with Barack Obama. But maybe that's because I'm not closed minded enough to not sit down with people I may disagree with.
Ahhm there's the rub, though, Pat.
You didn't sit down to dinner with Rove. You had him as a guest speaker at your fundraiser. You gave him a platform. There was no critique of what he said, no debate. You guys sat there and applauded. I'm watching the video now. You guys gave him a standing ovation.
You treated him like a rock star... with reverence and you used his hateful, divisive rhetoric to raise money for NPRI.
I guess you could say that's an "independent" way of raising funds.
It appears that the Democratic party has been bought and paid for by "Move On" and the SEIU.
The single biggest probelm with today's Republican Party is that they spell the word "conservative" as "Christian".
I was at one time an active, dues paying member of the Orange County, CA Republican Party and helped elect Reagan to his first term. I have not associated with it since then as it no longer stands for the values I believe in. I would happily vote for Teddy Roosevelt, but I doubt he would be a Republican today.
Ksand,
Perhaps you've never been to one of these events. But a guest speaker is supposed to stand up on a platform and speak. We also allow our audience members to clap, or not clap, as they please. Standing up after the speech is just common courtesy. It doesn't mean everyone has to agree with him. Typically speakers aren't censored at these events either. I don't know what kind of political events you go to, but it sounds like everyone has to march in unison and agree to everything that is being said.
I don't know what country you live in, but I'm in America where free people and free minds can congregate and even be civil in disagreement.
PS, I'd give all of those people above a platform at dinner and listen to them speak.
Actually, they stood before his speech. But then, you were there and you knew that.
This wasn't so much a "political event" as it was a "cheerleading squad."
It still begs the question: what kind of a political organization would invite one of the most divisive figures in American political history to speak at a fundraiser?
NPRI was clearly pandering to the neocon right. Given your major benefactor's political leanings, do you really expect anyone to buy this?
And, as for giving anyone the platform, why is it the history of NPRI's keynotes read like a who's who of radical right-wingers? Newt Gingrich, Michael Reagan, Ollie North...
Independent? Right.
Ksand stop being such an old dramatic irrational curmudgeon. You've obviously never been to a political event, don't know what common curtsey is, or you just don't care to be an honest, rational or civil adult.
Btw, Neocons believe in big government, like Democrats. The only difference between a neocon and a democrat is that neocons like using military power wherever and democrats like using military power where no one thinks we have anything to gain.
But like I said, I'm still open minded enough to hear other peoples opinions.
LarryVegas said....
"It appears that the Democratic party has been bought and paid for by "Move On" and the SEIU."
Wow! I didn't realize that you're into stand-up comedy.
Man, these guys on the left even get mad at you when you invite someone they don't like to speak at a private dinner.
But it was all right when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was invited to speak at an university that resides on the left side of reality.
By the way, when did Ollie North make the official radical right winger list?
I think these guys on the left have some real hate management problems. Maybe they should quit peeing in their Post Toasties before they eat them every morning...
Politics 101: Neocons under Bush II push for expanding Medicaid, added a new government agency and presidential cabinet, tripled education spending, attempted to federalize K-12 education, and doubled funding for transportation and public health. Neocons increase government regulation too by more than 10,000 pages above Clinton's last year in office.
Yes Larry, the people on the left like Ksand are completely irrational and hypocritical. These are the type of people who push for left-wing speakers on college campuses and then throw a fit when Ward Connerly visits the campus -- not just any fit, but the type of fit that causes the left to scream and call a black man that disagrees with them an "uncle tom."
There is no better way to attempt to censor and silence your opposition than to throw an irrational temper tantrum complete with ridicule and name calling.
Hey Wolfy,
I am thinking about taking my act on the road, but I need someone to drive the bus I will be taking to D.C. Do you have any experience in driving a short bus?
Also, I need a couple of fiddlers to assist the President in fiddling while he is trying to make a decision on Afghanistan.
Although my favorite was when a group of conservative students at Penn State used their own money to bring in John Stossel (then at ABC and not subject to attack by Rachael Maddow) to speak and the left threw a fit. Some professors at the school were demanding to have access to those student's private funds so they could hire their own countervailing speaker. The hypocrisy (and absurdity) of the situation was too much. The students created a private fund precisely because Penn State consistently brought in left-wing speakers.
Gibby said:
"There is also a rift between Neocon and libertarian Republicans and a rift between Republicans who focus on immigration and abortion and those who want to focus on limiting government power."
Hmmmmm.....i think you're attempting to cut the pie a little thin....."A rift between Neocoms and Libetarian Republicans and a rift between Republicans who focus on immigration and abortion and those who want to focus on limiting government power" is over stating the argument.
I repeat again, the Democrats have liberals, moderates and conservatives in their ranks.....no such thing exist with the GOP. What you have attempted to do is make a big deal over the very minor differences that may exist between certain groups in the GOP....keep in mind, they all have one thing in common. They're all over on the RIGHT........
They just have different shades of red, nothing more!
Before I forget it. Point me in the direction of a true Republican liberal. I would love to meet him or her!
I love watching the extreme right-wing "conservative" cabal of the Republipuke party eat their not-quite-so-nutty constituents in an orgy sure to please the Dems who will now probably stay in power for the next twenty years. Way, to go, girls and boys, keep up the good work as prescribed by your current party leaders, Rush, Glenn, Sean, Bill, Sarah, laura, Michelle, et al. They shall certainly be your salvation. In the mean time, wallow in your desperation.
El Lobo,
Not only are their moderate, conservative, liberal AND libertarian republicans, Republicans have statists, nationalists, populists, those who favor limiting international trade, those who want more free trade, people who want to continue the drug war and those who want to stop it... its far more diverse than you're giving it credit.
These issues are deeper than moderate/conservative/liberal...
"Point me in the direction of a true Republican liberal. I would love to meet him or her!"
Take a trip to Massachusetts, Republicans there are more liberal than Democrats in Oklahoma.
Gibby said:
"I'm not a member of the Republican party, never have and never will be. I am independent"
Hmmmmm.... sure could have fooled me....
Gibby also said:
That said, you still don't know a single thing about them (Republicans). They are not some single-minded organization that doesn't let other people in. There is no litmus test that makes you a member - just like the Democrats they are an organization with many members and many disagreements."
Right! And "pigs can now fly" and the Sun comes up in the West! Please point me in the direction of a liberal Republican. I want to shake their hand....
Gibby went on to say:
"Btw, are you too young to forget about what happened to Senator Lieberman? Democrat hardliners all but wanted to string him up by his toes because he was too moderate for them."
That's a funny post. My I ask of you? What actually did happen to Lieberman? Did he lose any of his seniority when it came to serving on the various committees that he had previously been serving on? If I remember correctly, he was allowed to continue to caucus with the Democrat leadership.......as before.
This same treatment by the Democrat leadership continues despite the fact that "Independent Joe" campaigned with McCain during McCain's presidential campaign and he also made a speech at the GOP National Convention..... I guess you forgot about that?
Actually Gibby, I voted for LBJ in 1964 and died a thousand deaths when I heard that Robert Kennedy had been shot in L.A. I was voting in elections way before you were a "glint" in your father's eye.
Maybe you and I are reading different newspapers and watching and listening to different cable and radio stations?
You like to think of yourself as an Independent.....keep thinking that because it hurts no one but you're a long, long way from wearing the hat of a true Independent......
You remind me of many of the young people out there who run around telling everyone that they're an Independent. That, in their mind, some how makes them a "true American"...... whatever in hell that means.....
"Ksand stop being such an old dramatic irrational curmudgeon. You've obviously never been to a political event, don't know what common curtsey [sic] is, or you just don't care to be an honest, rational or civil adult."
Oh stop being a child. I'm asking very rational questions that you're afraid to answer. Sorry, but for an organization that claims to be "libertarian," why would you invite someone who planned/advised one of the largest expansions of government in history? Invite them to a forum? Maybe. Invite them to preach to a roomful of sycophants? No.
You have the right to ask whomever you want to dinner. I never disputed that and now you're making up stuff because you can't answer some simple stuff. I'm asking why, not claiming you don't have to right.
My point, which you're missing, of course, is that it's disingenuous to claim to be a libertarian or independent and then celebrate one of the most divisive people in American political history.
Why not just be honest about it?
El Lobo,
You still don't get it. You couldn't be more closed mined on this issue. You've got your world view and you're sticking to it and no amount of evidence will change your mind.
The fact that a Republican governor passed a health care bill which Democrats are now largely modeling their own national healthcare bill is simply not good enough evidence for you to believe that Republicans are a diverse party.
And no, being independent doesn't make you a true America - although we didn't originally have parties when the country was founded. No, independent means you are dissatisfied with the way the two major parties have run themselves.
As for Lieberman, hard-left Democrats went after him. I heard no shortage of calls for his head. Maybe you weren't reading the newspapers at all. Democrats go after their line breakers just as much as Republicans do.
PS, you can be independent and still believe free markets, limited government and low taxes are good things. Independent doesn't mean you have no policy preferences at all. Lets get real here lobo.
Ksand,
You aren't asking for honesty, you don't even want an answer because you've already made up your mind -- your sharp rhetoric has already shown that.
The fact that you think inviting someone to speak means you celebrate their position is utterly ludicrous. It makes me question your intelligence.
If Columbia University has the President of Iran as a guest speaker does that mean everyone in the audience wants an authoritarian theocracy in charge of America?
Give me a break.
PS, if there is one thing libertarians and neocons agree on right now it is that Obama care and cap and trade are very bad policies. Both positions are being pushed by Democrats at the moment.
"The fact that you think inviting someone to speak means you celebrate their position is utterly ludicrous. It makes me question your intelligence."
First, let's delineate a few things.
Yes, I think there's a difference between Columbia hosting the President of Iran, where there were mass protests, because the goal was discourse...
...whereas NPRI prostituted Karl Rove for cash.
Was Columbia's invitation a fundraiser? No.
Was NPRI's? Yes.
Does Columbia have a storied history of inviting people from both sides of the political spectrum to engage in debate? Yes.
Does NPRI have a similar history? No... quite the opposite.
You don't think it's a little disingenuous to squeal about government spending when you voluntarily invite Karl Rove to proselyte to an adoring crowd?
Yes those are distinctions but this was not a point you were making, let's delineate a few more things,
You said "is that it's disingenuous to claim to be a libertarian or independent and then celebrate one of the most divisive people in American political history."
Thus you insinuate the following,
1) Hosting someone to speak means you celebrate their position.
2) That you can't be libertarian or independent and listen to him speak.
Your faulty logic still applies to the Columbia situation. Furthermore, would it be true that Democrats who saw the President of Iran were disingenuous to continue calling themselves Democrats instead of Theocrats?
You points here have nothing to do with fundraising and everything to do with the individual's position. You are making a personal attack on people who attended with extremely flawed logic.
Sorry Gibby but I do get it....
You're statement saying:
"As for Lieberman, hard-left Democrats went after him. I heard no shortage of calls for his head."
I guess you didn't see or read what I posted earler. I said:
"What actually did happen to Lieberman? Did he lose any of his seniority when it came to serving on the various committees that he had previously been serving on? If I remember correctly, he was allowed to continue to caucus with the Democrat leadership.......as before."
As I mentioned earlier, "Independent Joe" also literally became a Republican during the 2008 presidential campaign. Every time McCain rounded a corner, "Independent Joe" was in danger of breaking his nose. Maybe you didn't listen to Joe's speech at the GOP convention or see Joe out on the campaign trail with McCain? Despite all of this, Joe continued and continues to enjoy his power position with in the Democrat party....
I've never seen an "Independent" come to the defense of the GOP and those who sleep over on the right the way you do....You may consider yourself an "Independent," but that's a big deal about nothing.
You're not an "Independent." You're a "libertarian." Why don't you just admit it? I'm a liberal and proud of it! This independent crap that you hide behind is a way of hiding your true beliefs..... Why you would want to do that is beyond me.
Maybe you don't believe in the old saying "no guts, no glory."
If I can jump in here before the Bus picks me up...
Maybe Obama doesn't believe in the old saying "no guts, no glory" or "a rolling stone gathers no moss."
From Loblow: "that the Democrat Party has always been a party that loves to and encourages disagreement among its members."
Yep....that is 100% correct......yep...I do believe that Lieberman might not agree with you on that point.
"Yes those are distinctions but this was not a point you were making, let's delineate a few more things,"
It's very clearly a point I was making... which is why I went out of my way to name-check prior keynote speakers of NPRI.
"1) Hosting someone to speak means you celebrate their position."
Here, again, is the crux. We know a few things thanks to your handy-dandy Youtube of Rove's speech.
First, he was given a hearty standing ovation prior to uttering a single word. I've been to a fundraiser or two, and speakers typically aren't given standing-o's prior to speaking.
Second, he wasn't invited as some sort of long-standing exploration of the issues, but rather, as a fundraising tool. NPRI exploited Rove and Rove's views to fill their coffers because they knew their target market.
Third, NPRI is VERY DIFFERENT than Columbia because Columbia regularly represents the spectrum of analysis, whereas NPRI historically represents far-right and neocon views and historically invites far-right and neocon speakers to their events.
See, I would buy Columbia University as independent, solely based on that fact... on the fact that they have a long tradition of varied viewpoints.
Why is it, Patrick, that NPRI only represents one viewpoint? I'm shocked you seriously buy their party line. I thought you were smarter than that.
"2) That you can't be libertarian or independent and listen to him speak."
Again, consider the circumstances. The video doesn't lie, Patrick. I'd be willing to hear Condoleezza Rice speak, but I sure wouldn't give her a pre-speech standing ovation.
And no, no actual libertarian would give Karl Rove a standing ovation. I'll say that outright. If they truly believe the tenets of their political philosophy, I can't see a justification for that.
moderate republicans are tireing of the boorish
behavior of the right wing of the party.
the christians and the war makers have become
anathema to the middle of the road republican.
odds are, the moderates won't show up for next
year's election.
El Lobo, the fact that he didn't lose his positions does not mean that liberal democrats didn't try to strip him of his power.
Neither of you two guys (El Lobo and Ksand) seem to understand that words have meanings. Being independent means I'm not affiliated with a political party. I can still have a bias (in fact everyone does). In terms of the political philosophy, I subscribe to libertarianism (otherwise known as classical liberalism). Little l libertarian and Libertarian are two different things.
A little l libertarian is a person who subscribes to limited government for both economic and personal activity. A Libertarian is a member of the Libertarian Party.
The next lesson is for Ksand...
Ksand you simply do not get it, I don't even think you really know the point you were trying to make other than attempting a rash ill-thought out partisan attack.
The foundation of your argument rested on my assertion that I was an independent. You assert that you can't be independent and work for a company which hosts Karl Rove for a speaker.
Later you asserted that you can't be independent or libertarian and celebrate Karl Rove and again asserted that you can't be libertarian or independent if you clapped for Karl Rove.
The premise of your argument has nothing to do with fundraising or non profit political organizations. It has everything to do with A) My personal political affiliation and B) Whose speech I was listening too.
Your logic has so many holes you can drive a train through it (high speed or coal, your choice). Lets begin, TICKETS PLEASE!
1) Independent means unaffiliated with any party. Meaning not a member, registered voter, donor, volunteer, or employee.
2) Working for a company does not mean you condone all policies, positions or activities. Vice versa applies -- meaning, the company does not have to condone the policies, positions, or activities of its employees.
3) Listening to a speech by Karl Rove does not mean you agree with him.
4) Clapping to a speech does not mean you agree with him
5) Standing ovations, as you call it, is standard, repeat standard for political events. Everyone who ends up on stage gets a standing ovation except for the MC (I suggest you attend PLAN's big fund raiser if they have one and you'll see for yourself).
6) Thus to assert that you cannot be a libertarian or independent and listen to Karl Rove implies that libertarians and independents are unwilling to hear other viewpoints or even people whom they disagree on certain major issues but not all major issues. You would have a hard time proving this in any universe.
7) Thus to assert that you cannot be a libertarian or independent means only Neoconservatives would be willing to listen to him. Thus you would have to prove that all 400 people at the dinner were neoconservatives -- a hard position to take considering most Republicans in Nevada are fairly libertarian and frankly most libertarians in Nevada are VERY libertarian elsewhere.
Your position is bunk. So much so you've forgotten the very foundations of your argument in your strained efforts to make sense of it yourself. You're wrong. I'm politically independent no matter whose speech I listen too and I'm political independent no matter who I work for.
Just in case you didn't get that...
A) listening to a speech does not mean you agree with the person
B) listening to a speech does not mean you are celebrating them
C) clapping does not always mean you agree - it can just be polite
D) Not everyone claps at political speeches to everything that is being said (i know I sure didn't)
E) Being independent means not having a party affiliation
The foundation of your arguement asserted that the exact opposite of the above was true. This is patently false. I've noticed you have a penchant for making the simplest things complex. I'm not sure if its because you don't think things through or you are simply a partisan wingnut who doesn't care for rational debate.
Something must have hit a nerve in that exchange for it to have continued for that many posts. Discussion is good it offers new ideas and solutions.
Gibby......Gibby.....What are we going to do with you?
The point I made is that "Independent Joe" saw NOTHING happen to his clout nor his seniority with in the Democrat Party. Yes, some Democrats wanted to hang him but that didn't happen in the end.....
Could he have done a similiar thing and remained part of the GOP? I think we both know the answer to that, don't we?
As a rule, Democrats allow a great deal more differences of opinion with in their ranks than the GOP does....I'm sure you don't believe that but what's new?
Again, there are NO liberals with in the GOP. You can use the state of Massachusetts as your example but that's stretching the argument beyond recognition.
Yes, there's differences of opinion with in the GOP but the differences are very minor and very small and the body of argument lives solely over on the right.....
There are no Republicans with differences as wide as one finds when comparing a Democrat who is a left-wing liberal, and those of a "blue dog" Democrat. I'm sure you don't believe that.....
I would be shocked if you did.... Continue to call yourself an Independent and vote for most GOP policies......That's laughable but doable with in our political system.
THE GOP IS FALLING APART.
Soon there will be no Republicans. They will all call themselves Independents.
Same animal, different stripes.
teamster said:
"THE GOP IS FALLING APART.
Soon there will be no Republicans. They will all call themselves Independents.
Same animal, different stripes."
Very valid argument....That's probably true providing the GOP can some how find their way out of the political wilderness that they are currently lost in.....
Of course, they may decide to use a name out of the past for their new party.....how about Whig?
i'll make it as simple as i can : hoover(R) begat roosevelt(D) because of the great depression.(he was so good he was elected 4X) bush(R) begat obama(D) because of the great recession. is there anything you want to add?
Patrick, you are about as genuine as the weekly Mike Sanford excuse. KSand's point was a very clear and easy one to decipher - NPRI used Karl Rove for FUNDRAISING purposes. Big difference from the misleading picture you are trying to paint. You can't even bring yourself to admit the obvious.
What is clear is that you are yet another neoCon republican hiding behind the 'independent' moniker (i.e. Larry) to mask your true colors. Why are you neoCon 'independents' so ashamed of what you obviously are? You are fooling nobody.
Hey JahReb... You guys on the left are more concerned with labeling someone then you are about the issues. That may be the reason that those on the Left are so insistent about name calling and putting people down for their political beliefs.
My perspective is that the new governors of Virginia and New Jersey are significantly more to the right than their opponents were. How do you Leftist Femocrats like them apples? I hope at least enough to choke on them.
Thanks JahReb. My point wasn't rocket science, but Patrick felt he needed a two-reply, 15 paragraph diatribe to attempt to attack the logic behind it. Right...
So Patrick, why does NPRI seemingly invite only far-right wing people to speak at their keynotes?
So, why does just about every university in the nation seemingly invite only far-left wing people to speak at their keynotes?
Probably because they will donate money to them. I thought that would be easy to figure out.
Maybe it's because universities are full of professors who preach socialist ideas.
Hey castle, what's donating money got to do with it?
Larry,
That MUST be it! They are ALL socialists.
At EVERY university. Higher Education is EVIL. Research at these universities is inherently EVIL. We are talking BAD medicine. Indoctrination programs for evil socialists, these universities, especially those Ivy Leaguers, am I right? Secret Societies that secretly rule the world, or want to!
Let's face facts; If folks get to learnin', they might start asking questions. Then where would we be???
Heck, look at Las Vegas; Who needs a stinking expensive education by socialist propagandists when you can be a slot machine attendant, right here in Stupidville, USA.
Now you catching on there gmager.
Look at them there guys who got them expensive educations. Now they are laid off and demand to draw unemployment forever. Yes, forever...
Look at them there guys who did not go on to one of them there fancy colleges and got a job with a trade and went to work. Some got laid off, but they are working different jobs until they can get back into their choice of trades.