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Though close to finished, the Fontainebleau may cost another $1.5 billion to complete, on top of $1 billion already owed to lenders.
Published Thursday, Nov. 5, 2009 | 4:09 p.m.
Updated Thursday, Nov. 5, 2009 | 8:30 p.m.
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Several Fontainebleau Las Vegas subcontractors, including two Fortune 500 construction companies, said Thursday they've organized and are stepping up efforts to find financing and gaming partners to complete the project.
More than 80 percent of the value of hundreds of millions of dollars in subcontractor liens are represented on the first lien holders committee, the group said.
The group includes Fortune 500 companies Tutor Perini Corp., builder of the CityCenter and Cosmopolitan projects in Las Vegas; and MDU Resources Group.
MDU owns Fontainebleau contractor MDU Construction Services Group.
"We are in discussions with a number of potential partners, including hotel and gaming operators and financial partners," Ronald Tutor, chairman and CEO of Tutor Perini, said in a statement. "We are exploring a variety of options that we can propose to the bankruptcy court, including debtor in possession financing."
Tutor Perini owns Fontainebleau subcontractor Desert Plumbing & Heating Co. while MDU owns subcontractors Bombard Electric, Bombard Mechanical and Desert Fire Protection.
Other companies on the committee include Aderholt Specialty Co., Conti Electric, W&W Steel, AMI Hospitality and Zetian Systems.
Las Vegas attorney Gregory Garman of the Las Vegas law firm Gordon Silver, which represents many of the lien holders, said the participation of Tutor Perini and MDU in the group is significant in that those national companies have the financial strength to provide potential partners or Fontainebleau buyers with construction guarantees including price guarantees.
Such guarantees would be advantageous to a potential buyer, since investors don't want to worry about construction delays and cost overruns.
Aaron Smith, president of interior finisher AMI Hospitality, said the subcontractors want to be in a position to take control of the project should a bid from Penn National Gaming or another potential buyer not satisfy the subcontractors' liens.
Smith said the group has been in discussions with potential lenders about finishing the project in a way that would make economic sense, even in the current recessionary environment.
The financial outlook for the 3,815-room Fontainebleau, even if it's completed, has been questioned because of the recession that has reduced visitation to Las Vegas -- even as more hotel rooms open in the city at CityCenter and other projects.
"The Vegas market has been down before. We are confident that it will bounce back once again, and when that happens the Fontainebleau can be a gem that helps the city prosper," said committee member John Harp, chief executive of MDU Construction Services Group.
"More than $2 billion has been invested in the Fontainebleau project," he said. "We want to complete this project so that the money is not wasted, and so that it creates jobs and revenue for the people of Las Vegas and Nevada."
Weina Zhang, chief executive of Fontainebleau window contractor Zetian Systems Inc. of Las Vegas, said group members are open to any proposal that will get construction back on track at the resort.
"As long as you have the money, we'll talk to you," she said.
Controlled by Miami developer Jeff Soffer, work halted on Fontainebleau and the company filed for bankruptcy protection this summer after Bank of America and other lenders halted funding because of cost overruns and other problems with the project.
Even before the bankruptcy, doubts were cast about its financial viability because of a lack of condominium sales associated with the recession.
Once valued at $2.9 billion, $1.675 billion has been borrowed against the unfinished project. Estimates to complete it have ranged from $1.5 billion to $2 billion and a bankruptcy court examiner is now supervising procedures to sell the project.
Fontainebleau has said $615 million of contractor liens have been filed in the case, but it's unclear of that amount which are valid.
Harp said the lien holders estimate builders' liens against the project actually total $350 million to $400 million.
He said the subcontractors committee members feel public statements by Penn National about the lack of value at Fontainebleau indicate Penn may make a bid for the project that won't cover their liens.
He was asked if the lien holders may accept equity in Fontainebleau, rather than cash, in a deal with any potential partner.
"Everything's on the table," he said.
Harp said Fontainebleau offers a relatively low-cost opportunity for an investor with long-term confidence in the Las Vegas market.
The subcontractors met Thursday in Las Vegas and agreed to issue a statement about their organization in hopes of attracting interest in their cause.
Prior to Thursday, Harp said, potential investors and gaming partners may have had difficulty expressing interest in the project because there was no formal organization of Fontainebleau subcontractors.
"We're hoping they will reach out to us now," he said.
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That's a positive and optimistic outlook.
Good luck to 'em, but it could wind up, for them, being a case of "being careful what you wish for". Even if the project's completed, would it be a viable concern in the present LV economy? Honestly, it might make more sense just to blow the friggin' thing up!
We could sure use a few years work for some of the construction workers about to lose their income at City Center.
Go Perini and partners!!!!!!!
Just one question: If Harry Reid and/or Dina Titus apply pressure to bailed out banks to work for the betterment of this community, how will that be spun against them?
more waste of money. tear it down and rebuild it in 20 years.
Another "blue" elephant that want's bailed out.
BANKRUPTCY COURT is,
BAKKRUPTCY COURT is,
BANKRUPTCY COURT.
BAD BUSINESS DECISIONS are,
BAD BUSINESS DECISIONS are,
BAD BUSINESS DECISIONS.
Funny how people write about "longing for the past", when the Mob controlled Vegas. Growing up back East, we all knew Lou Perini and his buds were in the mob, tied into Gerry Angiulo down by the docks in Boston. I imagine Perini Corp. is a little cleaner now, but it is curious that they seem to have a stranglehold on casino work, not just here, but all over the country. Maybe a "stranglehold" is all you need to get casino work?
Gee, it will be funny to see whether the Union loafers drive up construction costs so high that the Union contractors/builders cry wolf. Hah, that would be great. Unions sticking it to Union employers. Nothing new there. Maybe the construction Unions will bail out the Union contractors? Doubt it...
Shh, don't wake the sleeping Perini. They will be on here telling you of the dire straits of City Center and how MGM Mirage is the anti-Christ.
At this point , it is anyone's guess as to what success the subcontractors alliance may produce , but they should pursue every avenue to prevent a fire sale to Penn National. The bankruptcy court must allow time for this to play out to the potential benefit of everyone. Bank of America should be the first to support this plan and to consider additional funding to protect themselves from greater potential losses.
Penn has stated that the existing project has "zero value" and has submitted a bid at what is believed to be "substantially less than $300 Million". If allowed , the subcontractor liens would be a complete loss as only the lawyers will be getting paid.
Regardless of who completes this project , the cost of that completion remains nearly $2 Billion. So you wind up some $600 Million over budget... but as compared to a real loss to everyone at what would now be $1.4 Billion , this is a no-brainer.
Everyone is a loser in this deal unless this project is completed and opened.
To the benefit of all of Vegas , I hope that this will be the case !
If it is true that the mechanics lien claimants can prove they, rather than the first mortgage holder, are in first lien position on the project, it's a game changer, and a real plus for the Las Vegas economy. It would mean that the mega-million dollar losses in property value would be suffered by banks and other lending institutions around the country, not our local contractors.
It should be noted that the mechanics lien claimants on approximately 20 construction projects in California who were stiffed by Lehman Brothers subsidiaries when Lehman filed bankruptcy, are getting nearer and nearing to proving they, too are entitled to get paid before Lehman-the-mortgage-lender sees a dime on those projects.
When subcontractors band together, good things can happen. Let's hope things work out for all of them.
For the sake of clarity, is there anyway we could see a breakdown in the costs to finish the project? I've got to think that the figure of $1.5 to $2 billion needed to complete the "almost completed" building is bogus, given that the cost to get this far is close to that $2 billion. Isn't it not feasible to be paying less for labor and even materials given the lack of demand for construction world-wide? Would not unions be willing to cut wages in order to put people back to work? We're seeing a huge backlash against the Machinist Unions working at Boeing after they refused to give Boeing a 10 yr. non-strike pledge, which gave Boeing the reason to split building the 787 between Washington and South Carolina? Because of stubbornness workers getting $30 an hour in Washington lose jobs to non-union workers making $16 an hour in SC. Will not trade unions in Nevada come to the table to get this monster done?
Cougar,
Can't speak for the unions, but my guess is that, at least with new work going forward, renegotiated wages would indeed be on the table. As for wages the subcontractors already paid out of pocket, but haven't been reimbursed for themselves... I doubt workers are returning any of that, any time soon. ;-)
Meanwhile, a hint of the broader, macro-economic problems the American worker is facing, shows up in this story. The window and glass contractor, Zetian Systems Inc., may have a beach head here in Las Vegas. But it's a Chinese company, using Chinese personnel on the construction site, installing windows made in China. I saw he same thing while I was working at City Center. They brought their own glaziers in from China to do the work that American union glaziers are perfectly capable of doing. They're taking over all our jobs, gang. And it's not as if American construction companies are allowed to go into China, bid on projects, man up with American craftsman, and bring in American made materials. You'd be surprised: in many a luxury construction project, the cache of having American supplied materials -especially finished items- is much in demand among the fashionable nuveau-riche in China. But do our contractors even get a chance to participate in the game over there??? Pfffffftt!
The Chinese have taken away all our manufacturing jobs. Now they're on the ground here taking away the rest of the jobs that can't be sent overseas. When on earth are we going to put our foot down and either demand reciprocation on their home turf, OR, set off a little good ol' fashioned trade war?? Right now we're just giving away the store and getting nothing in return. We're being bled to death.
YOU ARE THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD !!!
THE FONTAINEBLEAU PROJECT IS A LOSER & IT WILL NEVER MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE TO INVEST ANOTHER 1.5 TO 2 BILLION DOLLARS TO COMPLETE THE AMAEURTURISITICALY ILL PLANNED INCOMPETANT PROJECT - TO MAKE IT RIGHT !! THE FOOLS THAT TAKE IT OVER & THINK THEY ARE BUYING A BARGAIN - WILL BE DRAINED FINANCIALLY !!!
REALITY IS A TOUGH PILL TO SWOLLOW WHEN YOU HAVE SO MUCH OF YOUR OWN MONEY ALREADY INVESTED IN THE FONTAINEBLEAU FIASCO !!!
IF YOU WANT TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK & WITH A FUTURE
REVENUE STREAM - I WOULD PARTNER WITH SHELDON ADELSON TO INVEST MORE MONEY TO BUILD THE COTAI STRIP IN MACAU !!!
ADELSON NEEDS MONEY LIKE HE NEEDS AIR TO BREATHE
& HE IS AN EXPERIENCED WINNER !!!
IF I WAS HOWARD HUGHES - I WOULD BACK ADELSON & BE HIS STATEGIC PARTNER !!!
THAT DEAL IS A NO BRAINER !!!
MONEY & VISION IS WHAT MACAU & THE COTAI STRIP IS ALL ABOUT - WITH SOLID BUSINESS DYNAMICS !!!
I believe that they should just tear it down and wait a few years until the economy gets better. There are so many other states that are getting casino's it going to hurt vegas. After it has been torn down and they decide to rebuild it, they need to come up with a better design. Right now it looks like a office building and so does City Center. The Palazzo is new and that doesn't look like a office building. In my opinion it's an eye sore that should be taken care of along with Trumps hotel.
Vegas blew it..pure and simple.. everything got whacko out of control, the recent rush to condo's and leaving the themed hotels behind is the biggest mistake which robbed this city of it unique identity.. It could just be as Wynn has stated "Lights Out"
Hope they're able to work something out. This project needs to be finished.
DTJ: very interesting post. I guess America is about to face one hell of a crisis if and when the Chinese broaden this strategy to other fields.
"Tear it down"
Yeah, that makes sense, NOT.
DTJ,
Your comments about the Chinese working on Union projects is completely inaccurate. You obviously dont know how the unions operate and should not comment. ALL labor on City Center and Fontainebleau were certified union members, no matter which subcontractor.
Zetian Systems does in fact supply American job sites with Chinese material. ZGlass, a Las Vegas based company, has done the exterior curtain wall installation to date and is signatory with the local glazing union.
For years the United States has outsourced material and goods from around the world. From the shoes on your feet to the gas in your cars tank. IMO this issue is old news and unfortunately will never change.
Vegas Cobra,
"Your comments ... is(sic) completely inaccurate. You obviously dont know how the unions operate and should not comment."
No, sir. It is YOU who don't have your facts straight. But thank you for trying to suppress my right to comment. I wish I could remember the name of the contractor installing the windows at the Mandarin Tower -but I was THERE. I worked that job (in a different craft) and saw the crew they brought in from from China (Hong Kong) that did all the pre-installation work for every glass panel in that tower. And that's a LOT of glass. These boys didn't speak a word of English, just rode the manlift smiling sheepishly at the rest of us, and mostly keep to themselves. But the contractor was slick; they had the hardhats of all of these guys festooned with all the usual union slogans: "Union till I die", "the folks that brought you the weekend", etc., etc. It insulted our intelligence.
Now, I NEVER said these Chinese weren't "union certified." (But thanks for your phony implication.) Oh no. That's the worst part about this. The glazier's union DID sign off on this! They sold out their own men and women. There were perfectly able and willing U.S. citizens just waiting for work, in other locals about this country. Why did this happen, VegasCobra?? A former organizer explained it to me. The Chinese contractor naturally underbid all other contractors hoping for the job. The savings to MGM was in the several millions of dollars. But the Chinese contractor then insisted on bringing in their own men. And they got what they wanted. (Surely some "sunshine" was spread around to smooth this out.) I don't know what load of crap Immigration was fed- because they're not supposed to approve work visas for foreigners unless there's a shortage American's to do a given job. But if the unions sign off, immigration usually takes their word.
The whole thing stinks. I asked one glazier who actually was one of the very few American glaziers on the job, what he thought about this. He told me he was in from Denver where there already was no work and he was happy for the job (this was at the end of '07). When I asked him about having Chinese do what his fellow Americans could do, he just shrugged. Didn't want to rock the boat.
Wake up and smell the roses, VegasCobra. OR, if you actually know the truth, stop spreading your falsehoods just because you have a $$ interest in covering up the what's really going on.
The US is at economic war with China. They've been bleeding us dry of jobs over the last decade. And now we're seeing just the beginning of them coming to our shores and preying on our jobs here. The answer isn't to say, "they already make all of our shoes" and to just throw up your hands. The answer is for the unions to put their foot down. The answer is for our elected leaders to get it together and realize we need a national economic policy. This garbage has to stop before its too late.
It does matter how it will work out,just as long as my union brother's and sister can get back to work.So that they can keep supporting their family's.I am just wondering,to all the people who are writing in too this article.Do you really understand what is really going out there.Yes there are lazy people everywhere you go.But it is more than that.Good people who work very hard to earn the life style they use to have,lose there house,car,etc,and even losing there family do to hardship we are all sharing.For the union trade's this is our livelyhuds,if no one bulid's anything new,we die.So when hear about a group of business stepping up to help the trade's get to work we care.If you all are wondering Why I care,this is who I am "LOCAL 525 UNION PLUMBER'S AND PIPEFITTER'S OF LAS VEGAS NV"
Kevhal,
I here ya, man. I hope this works out, and I hope we all land back on our feet. Meanwhile, next time you're on a job, please do keep an eye out for folks coming in and taking away jobs from those of us who are citizens. Our unions got to stand up for us, not look the other way. It's our last line of defense.
"As long as you have the money, we'll talk to you," she said" I say do the world a favor, take
Jeffery put him in that MONEY PIT and BLOW IT UP!!!!!!!!!
Come on people you're killing me with your spelling, and you're supposed to be educated union workers?
DTJ: Here is a place, hear-involves ears or feelings.
Kevhal: Livelihood, livelyhuds, do is a verb, due is a adjective, which is the right word --there is such a thing as a dictionary.
Now my only two cents on this subject is my husband worked night shift on this job, and the glass workers he met were from Texas.
But keep commenting to get this job completed, my husband needs his job back as well.
Proofreader,
Thank you, and of course, you are right. But pu--lease, don't be a schoolmarm! ;-) I know the difference between the adverb "here" and the verb "hear." These discussions are informal and most of us are more concerned with getting our point across, rather than catching every last little typo. I proofread my comments before posting, but can't catch 'em all.
As for the glaziers on FountaineBleau, I have no knowledge about that project and take your word for it about the glaziers from Texas. But I worked on City Center's Mandarin Tower, and I wasn't imagining the crew from China brought in by the sub-contractor. Yes, I met a few American glaziers there, too. But the pre-installation crew were Chinese. And nobody will convince me that there weren't qualified Americans around to do the job. We've got to nip this crap in the bud!
Folks, it was just announced today that America is now officially over 10% unemployment. I bet Las Vegas is around 20%. Virtually all of the jobs in this country that have disappeared since the 1990's, have gone to Asia. But those markets over there are closed to us. We all need to start speaking up and demanding our political leaders have an economic policy that represents America's interests.
nednougat, spoken like a true rat(non-union worker). I love the way rats explain anything dealing with union contractors, knowing that their non-union mentality in flowing deeply with jealousy. ned you understand that the reason why non-union contractors don't get the work on the strip and downtown is because they can't be trusted in getting the work done properly, work done with quality and getting the job done on time. That's why non-union is not hired to do the big jobs. I have made many comments in past posts that the unions in town would love to organize all non-union labor to give them quality pay and teach them how to do quality work.
Its comments like yours that tell us union workers that you don't deserve a chance to work union because in your case, stupidity is not an asset. You may continue your job classification as a rat and remember when you go to retire the only reason you don't have a retirement check coming in is because you took the road to slam the good jobs the unions could have provided for you instead of taking advantage of being part of the union spirit. It was your choice.
A company in business other than the monopoly players is good for the strip workers. No Circ Show Please!
yeah guys, hurry up and finish it so it can sit virtually empty in time. sorry construction workers, despite your best intentions to stay busy, your jobs are in real trouble in our current economic climate.
"Southern Nevada went through a long stretch having a disproportionate share of its job base in construction, at least by national standards. Many in the community started to believe that this reflected a normal and sustainable job base. The recession has dramatically shown how transitory construction employment really is," Restrepo said.
Great....Perini is going to save the day? Yeah, right.
The only they've been good at is bringing in other construction workers from out of state, putting them in supervisor roles so they can determine who works and who doesn't. At City Center, the travel card employees worked much longer than any local guys. Their excuse? "Local guys go to first list. You won't sit on the bench that long." And thats a quote!
Lets get some numbers on how many local union guys are sitting on unemployment right now, while workers from Chicago, Florida, Texas, Michigan enjoy our high union wages and send their money home.
Thanks for nothing Perini! At this rate, the 1000+ local guys sitting on the union bench will never go back to work.
I thought Harry Reid had all this worked out? cough-cough.
Well, this is a novel way to rein in cost over-runs.
Contrary to what most of you seem to believe. The labor wages are only a small part of cost that is above the origianl bid.
Hey, fremmasmind, every month, I get a nice retirement check from Bechtel. And another from the Operating Engineers. Worked both Union and non-Union. Bechtel-Union, Becon-non-Union. And let me tell you, I was a supervisor who preferred non-Union. Why? Well, Union rules for one. Plumbers laying on sheetrock, dozing during their afternoon break, magically turning 15 minutes into a half hour. Insulators walking off the job a half hour early every day to "wash up". Where, at home? Drunken pipefitters working OT on a Saturday, working off the hangover from Beer Friday. Face it, fremma-Union contractors can only compete if they are competing with other Union contractors.
The stupid ironworkers cost a lot of work for a lot of people on the Harmon, right? And you call yourselves "craftsmen? Really just a bunch of lumps making sure they don't "Kill the job".
Not everyone in the union is lazy, just as not everyone that is non-union are rats.
While I agree that some union workers don't pull their weight, I have worked with non-union guys who are drug addicted and spent their weekends doing jail time. At least the union halls make sure their employees are drug tested, and have their certifications up to date. I never recieved the training I do now when I was non-union. I also never made anywhere near the money I do now that I am union.
It just sucks that the workers who are locals, that live here, and are raising their families here, are sitting on the bench while travel cards are taking our jobs.
rwal2222,
It's OVAH. Get used to it. And stop scapegoating the travelers with your same post on all the threads. Travelers sign "Book Two" and only go out when there's nobody on the books for "Book One." Jobs are winding down everywhere and locals and travelers alike are getting laid off. And screw that "us against them" mentality, anyway. Vegas was built on the backs of travelers. Locals alway discriminate against them, but the fact is, there is NO WAY any of these mega-projects could have been built, if they couldn't man-up with travelers. No way local labor could have done it alone. Yet local labor has always treated travelers as second-class citizens.
It's OVAH, rwal2222. Scapegoating travelers won't change a thing. Your days of $40 an hour jobs are finished for a decade and now it's time to move on. Heck, most of the last decade were gravy days that were illegitimate. Now we all know construction overdid it and bankrupted the entire nation. It's time to retrain yourselves and think about doing something different. Nobody is going to pay you $40 an hour to build anything, because we don't need anything built for a long time. The sooner you accept that, the better off you'll be.
Every time an article comes out for Fontainbleau the comments turn into union against non-union fight. I joined the union because i have family members that are union and they by no means are rich but are getting by and feeding their family. All construction workers have the right to earn a fair days wage for a fair days work.
DTJ- You are correct in your statements, this town was built with travelers and i thank them everyday for that. Going through my 5 year apprenticeship i relied on travelers to to teach me the trade and they did. I also learned from hands that were organized into the union. Without the two i wouldn't be as well rounded as i am today. Thanks...
UnionStrong,
I tip my hat to you for your fairness. And I further agree with your call to not turn this "into union against non-union fight." We are all decent citizens trying to earn a living and feed our families. We are all in this together. It is unfortunate that construction will be down for a long spell now. But American society is forever in debt to the union men and women who went before us and who continue to stick up for the working families of this nation. Without unions, the experience of working and living in America wouldn't be that much different than what the Chinese have today. Union, non-union -we all want the same thing for our families and our country. And we're all in this together. The competition isn't each other. It's Asia, where they are united in beating us economically. And they are winning. We need to wake up and come together.
nednougat,now you claim through your ignorance, excuse me, your stupidity, that the unions rules allow workers to take longer breaks when they should go back to work? If their general foreman finds out they're taking longer breaks than they should, they'll be sent back to the hall. You're trying to tell me that some union workers try and take advantage of their employers and non-union doesn't?
Depending on the workers local, some of us have written in our agreement that we walk off the job to go out to our vehicles on the contractors time. This will stop the contractors from letting the worker go right at the quitting time when they could have a half hour walk to the parking area. This is not uncommon , but in your case, I guess you need to have something to cry about.
You tell me what construction trade be it union or non-union, construction job or office jobs, that doesn't have alcoholics working. You are so obsessed to bad mouth the union you are forgetting that every job known to mankind has problem employees, be it union or non-union. I guess today is your day to bash the good hard working union workers, so go ahead keep flapping your lips 'cause your stupidity has yet to reach its acme yet. Enjoy yourself
Gee, I am stupid, Fremma. I didn't realize you get paid to walk to your car. Funny now, with work fading faster than your work ethic, I'll bet next contract negotiation, this will be a negotiable item. Never forget years ago the bricklayer steward who accused me of shooting incorrect elevations on a wall, only to find out his hand level was mis-calibrated. He admitted he was wrong. Then he said "I haven't worked Union in 2 years." So keep your tools up to date Fremma, unless you're the BA's Butt Boy. Lean times are coming, and don't you dare work non-union-the real work could kill you.
Unions are nothing more than purveyors of economic terrorism against companies. Look at what they have done to the American auto business, Hollywood film industry, airline industry, this list goes on and on.. Unions are not a vital necessity to the American workplace anymore and should be outlawed at best, regulated at worst..
This Union and non Union talk makes me sick!I am a
3rd GENERATION ELECTRICIAN!In my younger days before I got in the Trade I worked non union!Let me
tell you there is a big difference!How about me at
20yrs old working non union being told by the owner
that I have to work 480 volts LIVE because he had no one else to help me!Growing up around it all my
life I was smart enough not to do it!Wonder how many have died listening to people like that!There is a huge difference!I have read everyone comment's and WOW!What a bunch!True there is good and bad on both sides!I have worked with them all!Travelers and Orginized hands and am friends with many all across the country and have traveled myself!With that said!There are unwritten rules as a good traveler you just don't do and has been taught to us by are Grandfathers and Fathers!This is derected to this DTJ GUY!We could not have built this City alone!Correct!But let me tell you when a traveler has worked here for lets say a couple of years now and made good money and now there is local men who do work and work hard because I am one of them layed off a total of 3 months this year and my house just went into Default this week!Let me tell you something buddy!It's time for you or them to go home!Let's get something else straight!You never did say what Trade your in or I didn't see it!If a traveler get 2000hrs in my local he can sign BOOK 1!The same book I sign and isn't even a local and there
are alot doing it and it is going to cause big problems when a LOCAL MAN CAN"T FEED HIS FAMILY AND IS LOSEING HIS HOUSE! EVER THINK OF THAT?NOW I"M GETTING PISSED!I follow the contract and all you suck ass travelers don't because your afraid for you job!I got layed off because the Forman was working threw his lunch and break without getting paid OT or even telling anyone about it so I told the Steward and got layed off and I must say a RAT UNION TAVELER FROM DETROIT IS STILL WORKING!THis is some of the reasons why are Union are going to crap and when we should be
standing together as one we are divided!SAD!I will never stop fighting for what are Fore Fathers Fought and Died for!Build the Bleau!It's the rite
thing to do!Let the Banks deal with what happens to it afterwards!They have been screwing us for years!SORRY IF I SPELLED SOMETHING WRONG!NEVER LIKED SCHOOL ANYWAYS! UNION TILL I DIE!
Kennyb73 : Your banter here shows you to be a poster child of the typical union brainwashed goon. Manage your money better and stop your whining. You guys are angry, and always believe that you deserve the world handed over on a silver platter. This feeling of " management owes me " is the cancer of labor which has financially choked out many an industry and jobs.
Mr environprotector!You need to watch your Language!GOON!Not to polite!Sounds like you really
didn't read what I had to say!You probably work for
these Contractors OR BANKS!Brainwashed GOON!Silver platter!
LOL!Not even close!Would love for you to tell that
to my dead Grandfather who was a Union Steel worker
and died at an early age from breathing that crap!BUILDING THIS GREAT COUNTRY THAT YOU LIVE IN!SHOW SOME RESPECT!YOU NEED TO CHECK YOURSELF!
GO TO CHURCH! Yeah!Silver Platter!Manage Money!Being layed off for 3 months and a family to feed!ECT!Yeah no it all you do run out of money sometime!I see you didn't read were I said I worked non union!Union
brainwashed!Your a joke and a waste of time!You no it all!Don't YOU!Don't even answer because your a waste of time!HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS!STAY STRONG!BE POSITIVE AND PRAY FOR ALL THE HATERS AND THIS PAPER TO MAKE THESE COMMENTS!BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NEED TO NO THE TRUTH!NEW MANY PEOPLE THAT HAD MORTGAGES FROM BANK OF AMERICA!SURE THEY DIDN'T CARE WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM!BET THEY HAVE ALOT OF FORECLOSED
HOMES!PEACE!
Kennyb73 : It's not a question of being a hater, I'm not. What I'm sick of is years and years of working in the film industry and having to deal with greedy, self centered union goons whose sense of entitlement makes them little whining babies who would barely lift a finger to help anyone, unless it going to give them a plate for lunch! They have always been over payed lazy bums, with bad attitudes to boot. You must remember my brainwashed friend that this country has no need for organized crime.. I mean labor.. because we don't produce industrial products anymore thanks to the unions who priced us right out of the business opening up the labor markets south of the borders and in China. I hope you and your "brothers and sisters" in the unions are happy with yourselves for ruining what was once a great national output. Unions need to go away NOW!!
Union vs. Non union, local vs. traveler, USA vs China & Mexico. Capitalism at its finest. Get your money the best way you know how. Stop crying about how these people are taking the job thats rightfully yours and all this type of nonsense. You sound weak and unresourceful. Its called survival of the fittest. The outsourcing of jobs is the future and here to stay. Create a strategy to deal with it, cause you ain't stopping it. But for the love of God be men and stop all the whining.
Environprotector!
Must be from Cali!That says it all!You let to much
sun get to your brain or something else!LOL!Your problem is you never worked with good Union people!Uncle Sam has ruined this country meathead!Can you say NAFTA!Worked
with your Cali pukes!Was a Forman and had 3 on my crew!What a joke!Bad mouth Vegas!But have no problems makeing good money here and sueing everyone!Grew up in CHI TOWN!Bring back the MOB!
Solve all the problems everyone on here has!
Go make some porn Mr film maker and move back to Cali and join PETA!What a joke you are!