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twitterGroup presses Metro Police on immigrant policy
It says federal program targeting illegal defendants for deportation is flawed
Saturday, July 18, 2009 | 2 a.m.
Sheriff Doug Gillespie
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A coalition of immigration lawyers, civil liberties advocates and community activists is pressuring Metro Sheriff Doug Gillespie to abandon a controversial eight-month-old program that identifies illegal immigrants in jail for eventual deportation.
The group, which includes the American Civil Liberties Union of Nevada, the local chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association and Democracia USA, a nonprofit organization, is seizing on two recent events and attacking the program with petitions, letters and meetings.
First, the federal government announced changes in the program, known as 287(g), on July 10 and gave local jurisdictions 90 days to accept or reject the new setup. Second, a well-attended public meeting July 16 at Pearson Community Center hardened the group’s opposition to the program. Members of the organizations say civil liberties are being violated, crime-fighting goals aren’t being met and community relations with police in heavily Hispanic neighborhoods are falling apart.
“We want to use this 90-day period to impress upon Gillespie that the negatives outweigh the positives,” said Peter Ashman, chairman of the local immigration lawyers association.
Metro Police Lt. Rich Forbus, who oversees the 287(g) program, says the problems to date are mostly due to misunderstandings. “It concerns me and it will concern the sheriff when he hears ... that people wouldn’t want to report crime. We don’t want to be perceived as being out there sweeping the community,” he said, adding that Metro will get the word out more about the program’s benefits.
The federal-local partnerships exist in 77 jurisdictions across the nation. The goal is to rid communities of violent criminals who are also in the country illegally, by deporting them. Police departments can reach that goal by using officers on the street, in jails, or both. Since November, Metro Police have had federally-trained officers flagging illegal immigrants at the Clark County Detention Center.
But critics here and across the nation have complained that officers in the programs are singling out people for arrest based on appearance, in the process chilling relations in immigrant communities, making it harder to fight crime. They asked for numbers that would prove violent criminals are being jailed and deported, and got little in response. Many departments, including Metro, could not even point to the number of inmates deported through the partnership.
So Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano had a standardized agreement drawn up that police now have to sign to stay in the program. The new agreement clearly spells out that people charged with major drug and violent crimes such as murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery and kidnapping are top priorities for departments wanting to check the immigration status of arrestees.
But the national ACLU says the agreement doesn’t require police departments to prove they are following this priority by providing statistics, for example.
The ACLU of Nevada has asked Metro to supply numbers to date on arrests, charges, sentences, deportations and other aspects of the program. Forbus said that will happen by mid-August. As of July 11, immigration officials had flagged 1,549 Clark County jail inmates, but Forbus couldn’t say how many had been deported.
At the July 16 town-hall meeting, community members complained about friends or family members being pulleld over by an officer for a broken taillight and winding up in Mexico. One man said he had built a neighborhood watch program on his block, only to find people increasingly blind and mute when it comes to taking part, afraid that someone’s cousin would be sent packing.
The issue is not going away and may soon create controversy in a far-flung corner of Clark County. In its July 10 announcement, the Homeland Security Department noted that 11 jurisdictions across the nation would soon join 287(g) partnerships, covered by the new guidelines. One is Mesquite, the town of about 20,000 nearly 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas.
Mesquite Police spokesman Robert Everett said he hopes the program helps the town deal with gang members and other “repeat offenders.”
“We don’t have a huge problem like Las Vegas,” he added. “But we don’t want to have a huge problem.”
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Is somebody absolutely nuts?
You get stopped for a broken tail light thats just tough...
If you're an illegal alien, you risk deportation.
Thats the risk of being in this country illegally.
Fix the tail light and you won't get stopped. As a matter of fact, obey all the laws and you greatly reduce the chances for deportation.
If the cops come across an illegal alien, seems like they have a responsibility to initiate deportation processes.
Why even have immigration procedures if they mean nothing?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with any law enforcement officer checking the legal status of anyone in this country. Entering this country without a visa is a crime!
Illegal immigration is an enormous problem in this country. Hats off to the efforts of the Metro in getting illegals off the streets and deported. In my humble opinion the ACLU is in many respects anti American in its policies--meaning that following their policies will do more harm to US interests than good.
Obviously not enforcing our immigration laws sends the message that the United States is okay with criminal activity. Otherwise these good neighbors from the South wouldn't be in jail on charges unrelated to their original criminal trespass.
And now others will not report crimes for fear of the criminals being sent packing back to where they legally belong?
What a bunch of low life scum. Just more proof that these folks have no desire to embrace American values. Deport them all.
We need the undocumented to do jobs that Americans just won't do, even for $50. an hour, like all the construction work building houses and the jobs at casinos like City Center, that no one wants to do.
(Are they included in the unemployment rate?)
If any one breaks any law in the U.S. you go to court and deal with the verdict. If you are found to be in our country ILLEGALLY you are deported. Our courts don't look the other way when anyone else breaks the law. Why do some want these criminals to be an exception?
So for these citizens who don't want to report criminal activity, I don't want to hear any crying from them when their rights get violated.
To be a citizen you must obey the laws. To be a citizen you must report to the authorities when our laws are broken.
Oh by the way, the American Civil Liberties Union should change their name to the Illegal Aliens Civil Liberties Union. There is nothing American about how they are helping a bunch of non-American criminals.
if they are here illegally, deport them. they are violating federal laws. i do not care what they are stopped for they should be deported...
the aclu is unamerican and should be dissolved. they are against anything that stands for america and freedom for the real citizens....
if the U.S. government deported all the illegal aliens in this country to ensure that american citizens can have jobs the unemployment rate would decrease. the cost of welfare and medical for the illegals would be non-existent, thus california and all the other states could recover..and would not have been in this mess in the first place.
we have too many liberals in power and they are ruining this country....illegal aliens do not have the same rights as american citizens....they do n ot deserve welfare or free medical...i for one despise paying for their care through my taxes....
man up obummer deport the illegal aliens like FDR did....he sent 12,000,000 of them packing to ensure jobs for americans....
Please, please, everyone. You must contact the Sheriff's office either by phone, email, fax, or letter to support their efforts in the 287g program. Open borders supporters are always well-organized and try to bring political pressure on elected officials, especially as re-election nears. This program not only helps protect Vegas, it helps protect the entire country. SUPPORT OUR SHERIFF IN THE 287g PROGRAM AND LET HIM KNOW ABOUT IT, DON'T JUST WHINE ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ON THESE COMMENT SITES. THANK YOU.
Please contact the Sheriff's office and let them know you support the 287g program. We need to send these criminals back to their country. Contact the Sherriff right now at Sheriff@lvmpd.com.
Please target all criminal behavior including drug manufactoring and or sales, Also white collar crimes such as what some attorney's also engage in like bilking the coffers for a frivolous complaint such as this this is a waste of taxpayers money, we payed this in not the one's being represented.
Perhaps The United States should have invaded and occupied Mexico
that would have been a win win for both countries.
Stop it? Hell no step it up!
We have enough to do without having to be responsible for people entering our country illegally. In addition, if they are in the detention center, they have committed another crime, not related to their illegal status. Send them home. If the entire US would practice this, we wouldn't have hospitals and social programs going broke. Good for Metro!!!
It would be a terrible mistake to reduce involvement of local law enforcement in helping control the tsunami of illegal immigrants into this country. The impact on unemployment, health care and schools, perhaps as well as crime, has been well documented. The Sheriff should resist all attempts by the pro-illegals lobbies to damp down enforcement of our laws.
Keep the deportations going! I'm tired of hearing how they do jobs no Americans will. Let's find out about that now that unemployment is over 12% in Las Vegas.
Oh PLEASE!! Cry me a river.
If you do anything that the ACLU wants you to do you are nuts.
Start prosecuting the membership.
Most of their demands are un-american.
Start profiling these guys.
If you have a cancer you get rid of the fastest way posible. Then look at the results.
They have proven themselves to be trouble makers
mexican illegals are ruining the country, look what they did to California. They come here pregnant (all mexican women get pregnant at age 15 and have a baby every year thereafter) they have the babies and we are responsible for that baby forever. Lets face it , they are retaking the southwest. they have ruined their own country and now they want to ruin ours. I say kick 'em out and take the ACLU with them.
Phargo,
You are a racist and I would trade you for 50 pregnant Mexicans.
Fifty pregnant illegal Mexicans should be deported, don't you think?
Deport them all, I say!
I'm not against this program. It's actually very good in theory, and could be great, if they regulate it better. I think that as a public service, these statistics regarding who is deported and how they came upon that decision should not only be known but publicized. Otherwise, it's very true that this power could be abused.
"We want to use this 90-day period to impress upon Gillespie that the negatives outweigh the positives," said Peter Ashman, chairman of the local immigration lawyers association"
Explain it to me, Mr. Ashman. What are the negatives that outweight the positives? Maybe one of the negatives is that your law practice will suffer and you will have to move out of your expensive home??? Give up your Mercedes? Send your kids to public school? I see one of the positives being that every illegal that is deported - a LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZEN can have their job.
And I don't buy it anymore that illegals do jobs that Americans don't want. Right now, with the unemployment the way it is in Vegas, Americans want to work and will do the jobs that these illegals do.
Jeff, a racist is a citizen who makes a slur against a citizen of their own country. An illegal alien is a citizen of another country. Before you start putting labels on our fellow citizens you should do a little more studying.
Metro is doing what they need to do. Sheriff Gillespie needs to get with Sheriff Joe in Arizona and follow some of his programs to combat illegal immigration.
If you break the law you end up in jail. If you are an illegal and you break the law - we don't want you. You get deported.
Stupid bigots here. ACLU is protecting all of us. Racism has nothing due with immigration status.
75% of them will vote domocratic, so I support Amnesty. You John Ensign trasg will get a payback soon. N LV already almost 40% hispanic. Come on Repupublicans talk more racist trash. It is helping...
Although I am the first to criticize Metro when they shoot unarmed fleeing suspects in the back, I fully support their enforcement of our immigration laws. As long as there is a single illegal immigrant in this country, we should be endeavoring to send them back from whence they came.
Throw these people out of here.
Kalbo said exactly what I was going to say. Sheriff Joe was/is getting a lot of negative attention for his practices in Maricopa County, but what he and his men & women are doing is WORKING!!
If you want to find a lot of illegals, drive over to any Home Depot. On a typical work week, you should be able to pick up at least 50-80 every hour.
If the ACLU wants illegals here so badly, they can pay for them to stay here. Stop letting us (the ones that want the illegals GONE) support them. We have our own children to support, we don't need to be supporting other children.
Thank you Sheriff for this program. I will contact the Sheriff's office in support of this.
We can learn much from other countries as well. In Australia (where I lived) when illegals are deported and then apply for a VISA to reenter, they must first reemburse Australia for the deportation charges, air fare etc before a VISA is granted.
In my opinion, the argument that people will be less likely to report crimes is not true - I would be MORE likely to report a crime if I knew that the person would be deported and I would never have to see them in my neighborhood again.
"75% of them will vote domocratic, so I support Amnesty"
Behold, the truth comes out.
It is funny that Democrats hate hate hate cheap labor overseas for they say that it drives down wages here.
But once the cheap labor crosses the border then they are the greatest thing on the planet.
Why? Power....pure simple power.
The Democrats will sell their soul (supposely the blue collar worker but that is doubtful) to the devil to get power.
Most likely young black males that are attempting to get their first job in construction or other blue collar jobs get hurt worst by illegal immigrants.
Does Obama or other Democratic leaders care about that? Of course not...because they want the power.
Where are all the Obama, Reid lovers? Bush was pushed the entire term for a border fence of which over 600 miles are complete, Obama stopped the fence building.
Harry Reid has already stated he will PUSH for ILLEGAL amnesty, this will be another "nobody read it ram it through" piece of legislation. With sole purpose to secure votes for their social agenda.
Nancy Pelosi is on tape before a crowd of ILLEGAL aliens telling them that "they are true patriots" huh.
Are you going to tell these powerful people what you think? Or are you going to say "well if Obama and Reid want it's Ok"?
Sheriff Joe of Arizona has been doing an excellent job in deporting ILLEGAL aliens, is now under fire since Obama was elected for doing his job.
Should local law enforcement after detaining an ILLEGAL for a one crime release them on another?
Why don't we eliminate state extradition laws?
Tell your elected officials NO. Illegal is Illegal.
We are a nation under seige and frankly I wouldn 't vote for a Democrate or Republican. Wish I had a solution but a voters revote is necessary too make Washington sit up and take notice.
I confused. Someone breaks the law by entering the country illegally and then they break the law again and end up in jail. Common sense says they ought to be deported back to the country they came from.
JEFF...I am not a racist, I fought and bled for this country, maybe you did too, the mexicans are parasites, they make money in this country and mail or wire it back to mama in mexico, thus producing a sterile dollar, they do not give a chit about us , they only want mama to have enough to eat, I say bring Mama up here so she can shop in one of our air-conditioned markets and she can get off the mud floor she lives in back in Ole Mexico. Thus the dollar her boy makes will help support the millions of babies they drop off here.
Blame for this problem goes to the politicians. Not the Mexicans.
Phargo -
To say you are racist may be a stretch. However, to get your point across you should stick to facts, or back up what you say. To say "all mexican women get pregnant at age 15 and have a baby every year thereafter" is quite an exaggeration.
Therefore, I will stick to the facts. Regardless of the reason someone is pulled over, picked up, etc., if you are found to be in this country illegally you have broken the law. If you break the law you suffer the consequences. In the case of entering this country illegally, you are deported.
http://nevadapoliticsbydan.blogspot.com/...
Deport ALL illegals! It is absurd that anyone could see anything wrong with us deporting criminal illegal aliens. I know I dnt want them here unless they can come here the correct way.
"To say "all mexican women get pregnant at age 15 and have a baby every year thereafter" is quite an exaggeration."
I am not sure about the age or having a baby every year but it is true that hispanics have the highest birth rate among ethnic groups in the USA.
Even without illegals crossing the border, they will probably be the majority in the USA 70 years from.
Now, in most schools in California, Nevada, Texas, Florida and other southern and south western states hispanics are a majority in elementary schools.
There is nothing that one can do about that.
And it is not predictable on how they will vote. Hispanics tend to more conservative on social issues then other ethnic groups, like on abortion and gay rights. They probably are open more to socialism in economic matters.
Also the contining decline of black political power will occur especially if they keep just voting Democratic. The Democrats have to do nothing to get the black vote. Republicans do not try to get the black vote because it is pointless to attempt. Hispanics will not have this white guilt about black issues and will probably ignore them as a group like the Democratic party does now.
There are polls that show that a majority of hispanics want illegal crossings to stop, too.
Illegal crossings are a serious matter that reduces the rule of law and places undue burdens on schools, hospitals and emergancy services.
"Stupid bigots here. ACLU is protecting all of us"
LOLOLOLOLOL Gosh, Nick - you a card carrying member of the ACLU??? I have been in the legal profession for 30 years and during that time, 95% of the lawyers I knew and worked with HATED the ACLU. None would ever think of joining. That 5% were young attorneys still wet behind the ears and thought belonging to the ACLU was "cool". The ACLU does NOT protect us. They are selective in their battles and believe me - NONE of us would get the time of day from any ACLU member unless they got publicity from it. YOU end up in jail and see if they come to YOUR aid. NOT!!!
Back in the 60's, it was part of The Movement, just like the SDS was and all those other movements (and BTW - we were all young back then and had dreams of what the future should and would hold - but along the way, we grew up). It is 2009 now - times have changed and their ideaology is outdated.
If a person is in this country illegally, whether they are from Mexico or from Paris, and they break OUR laws - deport them and let their own government deal with them.
mred said:
"We need the undocumented to do jobs that Americans just won't do, even for $50. an hour, like all the construction work building houses and the jobs at casinos like City Center, that no one wants to do."
Quit spewing your ridiculous La Raza propaganda. Anybody with even half a brain knows that your comments are pure nonsense.
Nick said:
"Stupid bigots here."
If you support illegal immigration, then you are the number one bigot here.
Unemployed American citizens not only WON'T do the jobs the undocumented immigrants do, but they COULDN'T get those jobs even if they were willing to take them. What employer is going to pay minimum wage for a unemployed citizen when they could take advantage of an undocumented worker who will work for much less under the table?
The unemployment rate would not be near where it is if those unemployed citizens were willing/able to get the jobs the "illegals" are doing. Besides, collecting an unemployment check is far more glamorous than cleaning hotel rooms and construction sites.
Mexicans were in Nevada long before whites. Face it.
Hispanics will me the majority soon. Hispanics already are the MAJORITY in LVUSD.
How long before the Sun is published in spanish?
You angry under-educated whites are doomed. HA
"What employer is going to pay minimum wage for a unemployed citizen when they could take advantage of an undocumented worker who will work for much less under the table?"
I am not sure what Jeff is trying to say but it is a common lib kool-aid arugment.
1) We have tons of illegals
2) They work jobs that regular US citizens do not want
3) They get illegally paid under the table and there employers are violating tons of US fed, state and local laws
4) We should stop trying to find them and stop trying to prevent them from crossing the border.
It sounds like the lib kool-aid drinkers what to establish an apartheid system in the USA.
Lib kool-aid?
I'm simply calling out the people who actually believe that Americans are willing to take these jobs. Read the above comments and you'll see this very argument being made and it's ridiculous.
A lot of heat in this story. Nobody is cruising the streets looking at individuals who "may look Hispanic...that's almost the majority...but to stop a car for illegal whatever's...and to discover they are illegal is another story. The police must do what they must.
The ACLU should be shut down by the FBI for RICO. Mike Savage has been calling for this for years. They are a criminal enterprise operating across all state lines AND they are an anti-America, seditious enterprise as well, aiding and abetting Fed. lawbreakers (illegal aliens). They get their funding from us, the American taxpayer. THAT needs to stop!
Lib kool-aid Democrats want an apartheid system in the USA.
Mike savage? LOL, he is not even allowed in some countries! What an idiot.
BTW, everyone pays taxes. Wake up Bigot.
WOW as everyone hear knows I have been calling for replacing the Sheriff but after reading this I have to reconsider. I may even have to do a complete 180 and start supporting him. I support this program and if the Sheriff will increase efforts to deport illegals I will start supporting him. I can forget the whole incident with Manor and Darling if the Sheriff keeps this program. In fact I will let him put his re-election sign in my front yard if he wants. End illegals breaking into my country and deport anyone without a proper visa.
At-a-boy! Sheriff Doug Gillespie, you have accomplished a public opinion reversal of the prior negative metro police image. I support your efforts to enforce the laws of our country, state, and even those laws of the countries from which those illegal people may have come from to the USA without an official passport stamp from their countries.
I think we must be careful not to appear anti-immigrant and that it is a prowl for only one group of illegal foreign nationals to repatriate, there should be every effort taken not to follow in the foot steps of the previous "catch and release" program. This repatriation program 287(g) should address all foreign nationals from Asia, Europe, South America, Great Briton, and Russia, etc" I hope everyone can insert their favorite geographic location or country that I didn't mention which may need the return of its people too.
The use of law infractions is a wonderful method to use in identifying illegal immigrants, and recording statistical data will help to demonstrate the programs efficacy and unbiased results. I would like to see a monthly running account of all the data, to include US citizens approached under the programs profiling rules to ensure it's unbiased.
I hope we don't inadvertently try to repatriate any USA citizens out of American, solely on account of ignorance, which may not be a bad idea, but unconstitutional.
Go get them Doug. You just secured my vote.
The Libs think the illegal immigration policy is bad because it hurts the warped voting base.
Boot them all. If you don't want "hassled" don't break the law.
Crazy word huh....... Law. The ACLU is mad because the law is clear and they can't muddy it up.
Anybody in a gang or owning a gun kick their ___ outta here!!!
Hi, Everyone-
I can tell you that this program does work. The fact that the ACLU and the pro-illegal alien crowd is up in arms over it should tell you everything you need to know.
As some other posters have noted, it is extremely important that you CONTACT the Sherriff and voice your support; he is under (or will be) tremendous pressure by the usual well-organized suspects that never miss an opportunity to undermine this country's security and well-being.
ALSO, I don't mean to hijack this thread, but since most of the posters here seem as concerned
about the devastating effects of illegal immigration as I am, I thought you should know that Obama's
government healthcare program WILL cover the 20 million illegals currently in the United States.
I called Harry Reid's office Thursday about this and the only thing his staffer would tell me is that
"the senator hasnt issued a statement on this issue". (No rehearsed words, there, no sireee!)
Uhh, ok, so the majority leader can't tell his constituents if one of the most life changing, expensive
bills in history provides coverage for illegals? Got it.
The fact that yesterday the House VOTED DOWN an amendment to the bill that would EXCLUDE
illegals should tell you everything you needto know about Obama and Reid's intention on this
matter.
CONTACT your Washington reps. ASK them if Obamacare covers illegals. ASK your reps if they
voted against the amendment I mentioned. Ask them WHY.
We are in for the fight of our lives with the nightmare bill. Now you know why it's even worse than you thought.
Jeff, your a disgrace. Illegals should be rounded up and deported along with their children.
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ILLEGAL immigrants are illegal, not undocumented. That word "undocumented" is a word invented by the ACLU and all other anti-American groups that are trying to soften the harshness of illegals. Same as "crossing" is to jumping the border. Most of the illegals jumping the border are criminals that can't stand close inspections by law enforcement, they are afraid we'll find out they are ms13 members or some other such criminal group. If I were a lot younger I would be guarding the border with the proper equipment necessary to deter these thugs. Viva America!
Like I said above, I like this program. Folks who come here illegally and commit violent crimes should be deported immediately. I think we can all agree on that. I'm not sure what the ACLU is after here, but I would be satisfied with a publicized list of who is/isn't deported and why/why not.
I respect people's opinions about immigration. If you think ALL illegal immigrants and their children should be deported, well I respect that opinion, without agreeing with it. However, I do NOT respect people of my own country who make racist, despicable comments about other human beings.
You and I enjoy an unbelievable amount of freedoms, rights and conveniences solely based on the fact that our parents happened to give birth to us here in this country. I don't deserve the rights granted to me as an American citizen any more than any other human being does. They are God-given, and I'll be DAMNED if I claim to have some sort of entitlement to liberty and justice, and then adamantly deny to another person.
You may not believe that illegal immigrants deserve rights.... but they sure as hell deserve respect as human beings. You have no idea what these people have been through. If you did, you wouldn't refer to them as animals.
I am absolutely tired of listening to those whining liberals who believe anyone who makes it across the border of the United States and has a heartbeat is entitled to the privileges of American citizens. Illegal Mexicans are de facto criminals just by their very presence in this country, and the only thing to which they are entitled is a trip back to that third-world cesspool they crawled out of. They are illiterate, innumerate, free-breeding parasites and a pestilence in our land. Look at what they've done to California, and now that "Kalifornia" is a destitute socialist state, consider that Nevada is right next door. They will move here like locusts. Mexicans claim to have some right to the American southwest, but I ask, rhetorically, what they would do with it if we gave it to them. Americans made this country great and all Mexicans would do is turn it into a large version of Tijuana. They are uncivilized and don't know any better. Deport them all! Deport them now! Wake up and act now America or we will not have a country left to defend!
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Phargo-
OK, I take it back, you are a racist and/or a bigot. It's bad enough you make outlandish comments; but when you are unable to provide facts which back up your drivel, your comments are worthless. "Hoosbands", "smelly little muchachos"? Get a life.
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mred wrote:"We need the undocumented to do jobs that Americans just won't do, even for $50. an hour, like all the construction work building houses and the jobs at casinos like City Center, that no one wants to do.
(Are they included in the unemployment rate?)"
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What a load of BS. Fact is, most jobs in construction are still done by Americans according to a study by the Pew Hispanic Center. The only jobs Americans won't do are those in which illegal aliens have driven wages so low that no American can afford to live on what they pay if they're honest and pay taxes.
Fact is, all Americans subsidize illegal aliens and their employers with "free" healthcare, education, and social services. That "cheap" labor isn't "cheap" to us.
And no, illegal aliens are not included in the unemployment rate, and neither are millions of Americans who have given up looking for work or who are working part-time or temp jobs but want and need full-time work. Illegal aliens are taking jobs from them, and burdening those of us who still have jobs with paying for unemployed Americans AND for illegal aliens--a real double whammy. (And if lots and lots of cheap labor is so wonderful, why aren't the homelands of these illegal aliens economic titans?)
Yes, the illegal immigrants are having an effect on our city, but you need to know its the EMPLOYER that is causing this mess by "enabling" them to work for them at a minimum wage and being paid cash. The illegal immigrant primarily works VERY HARD to bring home thier pay, this however does not make it right that an illegal can cause ANOTHER crime and be deported, even if Metro is pulling an illegal immigrant over for tail lights being out (Of course the officer doesn't know that it is an illegal immigrant they are pulling over....... ;) ).
If MY tail light is out and I get pulled over so be it, I woud like to know that my light is out and get a fixit ticket to take care of it DUH. I support this action by Metro x1000%.
Seems to me that if legal immigrants are unwilling to report crime because an illegal alien might get deported then we should take a long hard look at who we're admitting as LEGAL immigrants to this country. Respect for the laws of this country should be the FIRST qualification for immigration and remaining here. If legal immigrants aid and abet illegal immigration, THEY should be deported as well. Abetting is a CRIME.
Jeff, nobody believes your La Raza propaganda. You are probably an employer who knowingly hires illegal aliens and you just use the "jobs Americans won't do" argument to try to rationalize your violation of our labor laws and our immigration laws.
Nick said:
"You angry under-educated whites are doomed. HA"
So, after all the whites are driven out of Las Vegas by the Mexicans, and of course the whites will take their businesses and JOBS with them as they leave, you will end up with a bunch of Mexicans wandering around Las Vegas looking for a JOB, but there won't be any JOBS left in Las Vegas because the whites were the ones who had been employing all of the Mexicans! HA! Be careful what you wish for!
Nick said:
"BTW, everyone pays taxes. Wake up Bigot."
So what, Bigot? American lawbreakers pay taxes too.
The local immigration lawyers association and the ACLU need to be shut down and charged with Obstruction Of Justice and Aiding and Abetting known criminals. Metro needs to start doing a round up at the local Home Depot stores and Nursery's because even if they aren't loitering or trespassing, what they are doing is something we call Tax Evasion. Most of them out there won't work for no less than $10 per hour! I know this because I went out there and stood with them one day knowing that I would get picked instantly to work being as how I have a 3/4 ton Truck, insurance, and a license. When I parked and walked over to where they were standing they thought I was looking for workers but to there dismay I was there looking for work, but at the end of the year I actually claim it as income on my taxes.
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I hire Mexicans over lazy Americans all the time. Face it, anybody can pour ice tea and the days of big money for brainless jobs are over. Get an education. Sick of white trash bigots from red states with little education trying to cry "victim" over and over.
You are not needed here.
You know where they have a lot of Mexicans, Nick? Mexico! Why don't you vamoose your sorry butt south of the border and take your illegal Mexi-cons with you.
Illegal Immigration and health care are heavily connected, believe it or not. Massive high taxes are imposed on the US taxpayer to pay for so called emergency hospital care for illegal immigrants and their families. Except foreign nation use the emergency room for their basic needs, such as the flue or a splinter in the finger. As always the taxpayer is the recipient? Health care revision can never happen while Taxpayer carry the heavy burden of paying for the millions of illegal workers and families, who have settled here. As an example 80 hospitals and clinics locked their doors for good in the Sanctuary State of California, because huge hordes of individuals came their for free health care. Why do you think California found themselves with a $24.5 billion budget deficit?
Those who want to just follow the same old road, can do so with the profit taking commercial insurance. Those who would be satisfied with a government run health care program, can now start demanding it from the lawmakers. Those who see a Universal health care system, similar to most developed countries in Europe, should start informing every Representative and Senate politician starting today. Rationing in places like England, was caused by the major impact of uncontrolled immigration. I see--THE RATS--are coming out of the woodwork, using propaganda and downright lies about government run medical care? The Special interest lobby, status quo have very wealthy fingers in the pie and do not want Health care for everybody? It's a trillion dollar business like Cancer treatments.
The pharmaceutical companies, AMA and others have very much to lose? Even many corrupt politicians are stockholders in this behemoth money machine. Most American working class can do--without-- high premiums, pre-existing condition clauses. deductibles, co-pays that is representative of the wealthy medical care insurers.
Unless our politicians commit themselves to a strong E-Verify, Police enforcement 287(g) and enforce all federal employees are vetted, so illegal immigrant workers can be rooted-out. The push for AMNESTY, will even draw another invasion in to our nation once the word goes out.
This free health care atrocity was placed on the unknowing American, years past and never been rescinded. This has favored the business community, because they pay--ABSOLUTELY NOTHING-- to a maimed or sick illegal worker, because it's passed on to the consumer. IF YOU DESIRE A NEW HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, WHERE YOU CAN CHOOSE YOUR INSURER? WHETHER YOU WANT THE FOR PROFIT INSURANCE OR GOVERNMENT MEDICAL CARE SYSTEM? TODAY IS CRITICAL. SO CALL YOUR SENATOR OR CONGRESSMAN 202-224-312. Just like illegal immigration , we cannot afford anymore to subsidize the business that hire them or the millions of illegal families. GOOGLE--on the web to find the truth.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF STOPPING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND SUPPORTING E-VERIFY CALL NOW! TODAY!
Don't let down your guard?
ATTENTION! Because of the massive payments to illegal immigrants in California, their is a petition. Google--TAXPAYER REVOLUTION. Very few newspapers will mention this activist petition.
Some Californian lawmakers demand enforcing our immigration laws? But do they believe in rigid enforcement of E-Verify in the workplace? Andronovich, a Los Angeles city manager stated back in 2004 that illegal immigrant support attributed to $11. billion dollars in benefits. How much money did the Golden state taxpayers folk out since then?
If you--GOOGLE--illegal immigration you can research the true costs, the real numbers of those squatting here and the massive consequences? The most damaging is--irreversible OVERPOPULATION. There is a battle commencing in the House and Senate this week, to weaken E-Verify and the startling amendment to fund the original two layer border fence. Sen. Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Homeland Security Chief Janet Napolitano will try to table these new amendments or even kill them. Recall Reid nearly obliterated E-Verify, the extraction process that removes illegal immigrants from job placement. THESE NEW AMENDMENTS ARE IN INSTANT JEOPARDY, SO DEMAND RIGID ENFORCEMENT, NO AMNESTY AND NO MORE EXCUSES?
Go to the websites NUMBERSUSA, JUDICIALWATCH, CAPSWEB, HERITAGE FOUNDATION & AMERICANPATROL for facts not found in newspapers or even the government. THERE IS GATHERING STORM OF FURIOUS VOTERS from across America. We cannot, must not--STOP-- THE BARRAGE ON THEIR SENATE AND CONGRESS. 202-224-3121 THE US TAXPAYER must remain vigilant, letting these politicians know whose in charge? That their jobs are on the line, like millions of American workers.
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The reconquering of California is almost complete. Soon it will be legal to defecate in the streets, like in Mexico. Nevada was never conquered by anyone except maybe the wild horses so we are safe, no defecating in our streets.nooooooooooooooooo way!
CONTACT your Washington reps. ASK them if Obamacare covers illegals. ASK your reps if they
voted against the amendment I mentioned. Ask them WHY.
We are in for the fight of our lives with the nightmare bill. Now you know why it's even worse than you thought.
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I hated this bill to begin with. I wonder if Obama realizes that if this ridiculous health care plan gets the go ahead (with those illegals being covered) - that is the end of his political career? He'll be voted out of office so fast in 4 years, he won't know what hit him! American citizens, LEGAL American citizens voted him into office and we sure as hell can vote him out!! I guess he forgets that the illegals can't vote!! And the MAJORITY of American are so against this health care plan of his!! DOesn't he read the polls? Where are his advisers???
Can't trust a White Sox fan.....
Deport them quickly. KUDOS
IF YOU ARE IN OUR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, GET OUT NOW!!!!!!
mexicans were not in nevada before the white man...mexican race is a cross between spaindards and indians...it was created went the spainards conqured what is now call mexico..
so the indians were here first...and if they had controlled the illegal immigration back then..then they still would control it...get the picture...
US needs to control the immigration and remove the illegals..in fact former presidents Truman and Eisenhower deported illegals.
illegals getting pulled over???
no driver license??
no insurance???
again breaking the law...
Metro needs to start road block check points looking for illegals. Start stopping every car and checking documents and citizenship papers. No drivers license no insurance no citizenship papers gets a ride down town and car towed. Have a bus waiting and give the illegals a choice either jail or deportation if they chose jail give em a good beat down until they chose deportation. Drive across the boarder and put them out.
For those with anchor babies either leave them here or better yet take them with you. We need to also check citizenship at all state offices and hospitals. If they need medical attention treat them enough to get them back across the boarder. I have no problem with Metro going door to door in Las Vegas and checking citizenship.
Its time to send the illegals home so that citizens will have jobs. It seems we have illegals making up 14% of the jobs and we have 10.5% unemployment. Send the leaches home and let citizens fill those jobs.
Fine any and all employers per illegal they have on the payroll. Fine them big time to discourge this behavior in the future also publish a list of these Rats so they we taxpaying citizens can avoid spending money in these businesses.
Put US troops on the boarder with orders to shoot to kill anyone trying to sneak into our country. We should have never allowed this invasion to start. Allow citizens to buy tags and permits to guard the boarder with permission to kill anyone who crosses.
Just try sneaking into a south American country or Russia and see if you are not shot on site. We should defend our boarders. Kill a few and the rest will stop. Drug cartels will lose control and the flow of drugs into the country will stop.
the comment about the ILLEGALS doing the jobs that we don't want to do is a bunch of bs. A white guy and an ILLEGAL mexican can apply for the same job and the ILLEGAL will get the job because he will accept less than the legal minimum wage and he will allow himself to be overworked and underpaid to stay in the country ILLEGALLY.
Breaking the law is breaking the law, regardless of what law it is; regardless of the color of the skin; regardless of age.
I DARE anyone who opposes getting the ILLEGALS out of our country to try to go to ANY other country without a passport or visa and try to sneak in. You will be arrested, tortured and then if your lucky, maybe you'll get deported.
THEY ALL NEED TO BE ROUNDED UP AND SENT BACK. Unfortunately all of us taxpayers have to pay for the ILLEGALS to be deported just like we have to pay for their FREE medical care and FREE legal services. How messed up is it that US CITIZENS don't get the same FREE services as the ILLEGALS.
I agree that Border Security is very effective.
My solution for this problem is securing our borders and time.
What I mean is, stop illegals coming into our country, fence or otherwise, and wait 30-40 years and let the current illegals and their children assimilate.
Of course, violent offenders and such should get deported.
Although I think that this is a cheap way out, it is humane, more cost effective than mass deportations and all that jazz.
As long as we can stop the flow of illegals into our great nation, the problem can be moot in the next few generations.
I'm tired of the elementary schools being forced to teach half day in english and the other half in spanish to accomidate the illegal kids...if I wanted my boys to speak spanish, I'd teach them...they don't deserve to have their language and their history raped by the illegals...I'm tired of having to pay more for lunches for my kids so that the illegals kids can get free lunch...I'm tired of having to sit in a waiting room full of illegals receiving free medical care while the insurance that we pay for makes us pay co-pays...I'm tired of seeing the neighborhoods where the illegals live looking like trash with their tin & cheap plywood structures full of chickens and the broken down cars parked on the lawn...they are what is driving the property values down...they are what is driving the taxes up...I'm tired of seeing the energy cost going up because the illegals are on government assistance...they smell, they have snotty dirty kids, they aren't bothering to learn english which is the language here...I was so happy when the deal in Pahrump went through about speaking english...if you come to the US, do it legally and don't bring your country that you ran away from with you...if you want to have your country, stay there...I'd love to work the border with an automatic weapon and trained dogs...you cross that river and you get the gift of a bullet in the ass and a dog bite to take home
Looks like Nick needs to go home to Kenya and recruit some of his brothers to come over here and defend the illegal Mexicans from "white" bigots and exploiters.
Awhile back , maybe 3 years ago , a news network asked people to vote on the man or woman that has done the most for the United States. Martin luther King placed higher than George Washington. Imagine that. Some knuckle heads think MLK did more for us than the Father of our country. He (mlk) didn't even do as much as Rosa Parks. All he did was run off at the mouth, (like Obama does). Rosa Parks actually did a proactive thing, by refusing to move to the back of the bus, King just talked a good fight. George Washington led an army of ill equiped volunteers with no shoes and little food. they were the our Army and they defeated the most powerful military juggernaut of those times.
People in this country don't know what they DON'T KNOW. this ladies and gentlemen is the Late, Great,. United States. When they vote for a malcontented pastor of a small southern church over a great leader like George Washington, well...what ya gonna do? The Roman Empire rotted from within also.
The company I retired from after almost 40 years was built by hard working almost totally white Americans. Slackers didn't last long. We made money, the company made money. Then we got modern moron management. Our HR office no longer takes applications. When jobs opened up the cheapskates called the temp agency. What are the majority of those hanging around the temp office? Our buddies from below the border. So when the company has permanent jobs open up, who gets them? Our buddies because they are already in the plant. Eventually the place is taken over by our pals.
We employ hundreds here and the pay and benefits are good. White people worked hard at these same jobs for decades and many white people on the street would kill to have these jobs. Why don't they? Would you quit a crappy job someplace else where you had not the best vacation, insurance and pay and come to work at our place as a temp getting cheap wages and no bennies hoping there will actually be a full time opening? We have had many whites and border buddies doing a good job never getting permanent status after a year or more. There may have been some illegals in the group, but basically they were legal green cards.
Thanks to our buddies popping out babies like on an assembly line, our insurance skyrocketed. If you have a few of our buddies, they work hard. After you get a bunch, they turn into slackers. We're 2000 miles from the border and all you hear is Spanish. Walk through the plant and groups of them will laugh and call you dirty names in Spanish because they can get away with it. Many of the women get sexually harrassed and management does nothing. The floors in the bathrooms are littered with used toilet paper. If the white people have a loud radio it's turn it down or it's gone. Our buddies? Let it blast away. Some buddies spend more time feeding the CD player than working. Go into the lunchroom after our buddies have been eating and the place is a pig stye. Send em all home legal or not.
Yes we have boatloads of illegals and the same problems you have with them.
When my son applied for a good paying job. There were three border buddies applying too. They were given reading and math tests which my kid passed no sweat. The buddies couldn't speak, write, or read English. My son was a hard worker with excellent references but the buddies got the jobs. The buddies got fired a couple of weeks later. Another place the kid applied at the HR office was plastered with posters and memos in Spanish. Couldn't find a single one in English. These we all decent paying jobs but white guys weren't allowed to join the party. My other son delivers to another local plant that pays decent and is staffed mostly by our buddies. If the company dares to hire a white guy in their department the buddies run him out asap. What's sad is we're 2000 miles from the southern border.
I always hear the argument, "they do the jobs Americans won't do"! Said as it is, it is true. So it is time to start making Americans do those jobs. If you are on welfare, you need to do those jobs, if you don't, no welfare. Maybe if these Americans who live off of welfare were forced to work to survive, those jobs would be done. That would be the biggest help in discouraging illegal immigration from all countries. As well as fining the companies who employ these illegals. If it costs more in fines than a salary every year, illegals would stop getting hired.
Has anyone read any of President George Washinton's stories, I was supprised to find he realy failed for the most part, but as luck would have it, the help of the French is what realy saved the US.
We refer to the fore Fathers don't we.
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Jeff, I'm sure you'd be more than proud to give an illegal alien your job, seeing that you are mindless when it comes to american citizens. In reality if you are an american citizen you should give an unemployed american citizen your job seeing how your pathetic thoughts on the american unemployed carry little if no caring to the citizens of our country. You should open the doors of your home to any illegal alien. Bed them, feed them and care for them,and provide medical care for them so our citizens will be able to get jobs, eat and be able to have the medical attention given to them by county hospitals who would have to close for wasting their money and care on illegals. After all these illegals have their own countries who would gladly take care of them and their families.
If their countries refuse to take care of them and their families then I'm sure you would enjoy leading these immigrants in a revolution against their government to change the way they are being treated back home. Your remarks are unamerican and in this the time when our country needs to become united to correct our own problems within our own government, you are not needed here.Bye, bye
oderman, you, your sons and your buddies should be 2000 miles on the other side of our border. Your anti american and holier than thou comments have no place around here when our citizens are suffering with the economy the way it is. Write your letters to la Raza, you may be appreciated there.
Really secure the borders & ports of entry (mobilize the Guard and give them a new mission, armed), severely penalize employers who hire illegals (mandate e-verify & Real ID), and mandate local law enforcement hold without bail any illegal arrested for another crime other than minor traffic violations (and deport if convicted of that crime).
Concurrently, offer provisional five year work permits to illegals in this country prior to 2010, which can be renewed for another five years with good behavior and passing a second grade english test. After ten years, and with good behavior, individual can apply for a green card. Work permits would not normally allow for dependent sponsorship; extenuating circumstances would be required for consideration.
Expedite resident/citizen sponsored visa applications for spouses & dependent minors. Should take no more than 30 days.
And I wouldn't worry too much about the current number of Mexicans in the US. Given their education, and the incompetence & corruption endemic in Mexico, we're more likely to add a few stars to the flag than we are to lose any! One thing the US has been relatively good at is assimilation -- it's only a matter of time.