How clubs were punished: Warn, warn again
Look back shows county loath to cite venues for open lewdness
Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2009 | 2 a.m.
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County officials said Tuesday that their effort to clean up the nightclub industry is kicking off with a warning letter and workshops to try to help nightclubs comply with the rules.
In other words, at least initially, the county’s answer to what it said is a major problem is more of the same — yet another warning and more workshops.
But for years the county business licensing department has had another tool available to try to force compliance but has not used it — its authority to issue citations.
Many nightclub operators have long openly bent, if not broken, the same regulations the county cited on its list of reasons for shutting down two clubs at Planet Hollywood last month, and yet the toughest action against them has been written warnings to knock it off.
The county code says business license holders must “maintain and conduct all activities upon the premises in a decent, orderly and respectful manner and shall not knowingly permit within or upon the licensed premises any lewd activity, nudity or topless activity,” among other things.
The problem is “lewd” is Las Vegas’ middle name, and the valley’s sexually charged nightclubs are known for patrons being on their worst behavior. Tourists shell out hundreds, sometimes thousands, of dollars for a taste of the after-hours scene and figure they’re paying for the privilege of getting naughtier than normal. It’s impossible for a nightclub’s staff to keep all patrons under control every second. The issue is how the club handles the patrons they do see getting out of control and whether the club encourages that behavior.
Nightclub operators know that the wilder their clubs are, the more people they are likely to draw, so some have been turning a blind eye to some of their customers’ antics.
Some have advertised lingerie balls, parties hosted by porn stars and girl-on-girl kissing contests. With one wrong move or intentional wardrobe malfunction, events like these can violate county code.
Krave nightclub, in the Miracle Mile Shops at Planet Hollywood, advertises events such as “So You Think You Can Strip?” — a weekly amateur stripping contest with a $1,000 prize. (Krave was not one of the shuttered Planet Hollywood venues.)
Clark County spokesman Erik Pappa said the county considers strip contests like Krave’s to be lewd behavior.
“We will ensure that this business understands what is allowed by county code,” Pappa said.
It’s not as if the club shouldn’t know, though. In June 2008, the county served Krave a notice of violation, noting lewd behavior in the club’s weekly wet boxer shorts contests. A spokeswoman for Krave said the club has since discontinued the contest.
If the county wanted to, it could have been issuing citations left and right for years. Instead, county business licensing staff has handed out at least 16 “notices of violation” in the past two years to 23 of the most popular clubs in town — all warnings, no citations.
Aside from Planet Hollywood’s Prive, three other major clubs in the night-life scene were given warnings about repeat violations.
A violation of the county ordinance is a misdemeanor, so a citation can result in a fine of up to $1,000 — about the same amount Krave has been handing out on a weekly basis for a best strip routine contest.
The Light Group’s Jet nightclub, inside the Mirage, was given violation notices for allowing topless activity inside the club in December 2007, April 2008 and April 2009.
Rain Nightclub in the Palms was issued notices of violation for topless activity and lewd behavior in February and May 2007.
Clark County spokesman Dan Kulin said the county’s policy is, generally, to first issue notices of violation to give businesses an opportunity to straighten themselves out. A citation wouldn’t normally be issued unless the county observes a similar violation soon after the warning was given, Kulin said.
No citation was issued to Jet or Rain.
Kulin said the circumstances of each violation factored into decisions to issue only warnings. For example, one of the violations at Jet involved at least one woman wearing pasties and body paint. “For a time during the past two years body paint increased in popularity. It seemed that our position that body paint is still nudity was not fully understood by many businesses. So, the (notices of violation) were the proper method to inform the businesses and record their noncompliance,” Kulin said.
The warnings “have been a successful tool for notifying businesses of violations and securing compliance with code,” he added. “While every situation is unique, we generally see businesses comply after receiving a notice of violation.”
And, after issuing the warnings, the county follows up “with unannounced visits by our agents to make sure the problematic activity is no longer occurring,” Kulin said. “Prive and The Living Room were certainly exceptions and that is why additional steps were taken and more serious action was taken.”
In her explanation to county commissioners regarding what her department is doing to try to prevent another expensive problem like those at the two Planet Hollywood clubs, Jacqueline Holloway, the county’s director of business licensing, said Tuesday, “We’re trying to make long-term changes in the nightclub industry as a whole.”
The county will soon provide nightclub operators and staff with workshops to try to help them comply with the rules, she said, acknowledging that “Gaming Control conducted workshops in the past. We have conducted workshops in the past. Metro has conducted workshops in the past.”
She also said she is sending out a yet another “notice” to the industry outlining key conditions and key expectations. After that letter goes out, if inspectors find “blatant disregard for code, we will move toward a civil penalty,” she said.
A change in state law, effective July 1, gave the county the authority to levy fines outside of the citation and court system.
Whether “moving toward” a civil penalty will mean handing out more warnings remains to be seen, though.
Prive, after all, had not been given a citation. It had instead received two warnings for stalling agents during compliance inspections and one for allowing topless and lewd activity.
The same restriction on lewd behavior and nudity also has always applied to the pool parties that became popular — and celebrated for their lasciviousness — in recent summers. It’s the club scene in the sunshine — with a lot more exposed skin.
When, in 2002, an exception to the county code was added to allow resorts to provide guests a designated area for topless sunbathing, that exception came with numerous restrictions. Such pools must be out of view of patrons in other pools, and minors are prohibited.
And then there is this restriction, which seems to be ignored by some pool operators and the county: Pools “cannot be used for any special events, contests or parties while topless sunbathing is taking place.”
The topless pool scene, of course, has grown to include DJs, dancing and celebrity appearances. Some pools are operated by the same people who run nightclubs, people who thrive on pushing the boundaries.
In early April the county’s business licensing department sent a rules reminder letter to all hotel licensees that operate topless pools.
But some topless pools continued to advertise events that appear to be in violation of the code.
Bare, the topless pool at the Mirage operated by the Light Group, advertised the Polka Dot Bikini Party on July 16, Platinum Group’s Jay Rebholz’s birthday on July 9 and the Mirage 20th Anniversary Celebration with Marissa Miller on April 22, all hosted during the pool’s regular hours.
When asked about those events and others, Pappa said the county would give the hotels another reminder about the county code.
“The topless area cannot be used for special events, contests or parties while topless sunbathing is taking place. This applies for employees, contractors, patrons and everyone else,” Pappa said. Bare had received at least a couple of reminders in the form of two notices of violation for “topless activity not related to topless sunbathing” in August 2007 and again in April 2008. But after two warnings for the same type of violation in less than a year, Bare never received a citation.
The now-defunct Sapphire Pool, which the Rio voluntarily shut down July 25 after Metro Police arrested 11 people on drug or prostitution charges, had openly violated the county’s code long before last month.
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Back in May, the pool hosted a bikini top contest during Memorial Day weekend. But as is the case with the many other instances in which parties and other advertised activities at Strip properties violated the county code, no citations or notices of violation were written for the Sapphire Pool’s parties.
In the case of the topless pools, the county may soon be taking a second look at its ordinance. Clark County Manager Virginia Valentine said the ordinance might need to be changed.
“Things have really changed in the activities that go on at the resort pools. The code is always a reflection of what is going on at the time when it’s written,” Valentine told Sun columnist Jon Ralston during a July 29 interview on “Face to Face.” “Maybe it’s time to revisit the code and see, does it now address the current type of activities?”
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How can the politicians and other government officials do there job effectively when there all on the pad. Weather it's a nightclub or a ultra pool or a strip club there's to many envelopes going out every month and everyone knows it.
Get a life; Gaming Control Board, County's Business License Department and County Commissioners. This place was designed for adults, leave the clubs alone. If you want to govern like you live in Mayberry move there. If someone does not like "topless and lewd activity" they can go elsewhere like Disney Land!! Leave our adult playground alone or your city will continue to die! To all the citizens that voted these clowns in, look at your TIPS and think next time before you vote.
I hope the politicians read this article.
"Tourists shell out hundreds, sometimes thousands, of dollars for a taste of the after-hours scene and figure they're paying for the privilege of getting naughtier than normal."
I would like to ask the local officials two questions. How much of your economy is driven by tourism? If all of the tourist stopped coming to Vegas would you have a job?
hey, look...
i have PROOF that a county official gave false testimony in court and you know what...
phone call after phone call, letter after letter...
not one official from a government agency or licensing body has bothered to show any interest in this.
so, if perjury isn't a big deal...they aren't going to do much about some boobs being exposed at a night club.
"Nightclub operators know that the wilder their clubs are, the more people they are likely to draw" WOW PEOPLE LIKE THIS KIND ON BEHAVIOR!! WHAT A SUPRISE...
One more question to ask these clowns.
Do you think people are more offended by a girl showing her boobs inside a nightclub or the thugs handing out cards on the sidewalks?
It would appear that, once again, the venues located inside casino hotels have that "hands off - we are on sacred ground - a casino" mentality and often-times the County regulatory agencies do little if anything. Sort of like the cabs and limos demanding "tips" from business licensees (Clubs) and the regulatory agencies in the County, the City, and the State do not want to know about it. All of this for years and years.
Hey, LVCC got what it asked for... The "What Happens in Vegas Stays in Vegas" theme has been unbelievably successful.
So successful that illicit sex and promiscuity are expected and anticipated.
The problem is that it also appeals to all kinds of people including hookers, pimps, drug users and dealers and all kinds of low lifes that have taken up residency along the strip.
Vegas is gaining the reputation of being a sleazy, trashy city instead of the fun, sexy city that it used to be.
Obama's trashing of Vegas wasn't because of Vegas' golf courses, weather or table games. It was the perception that he and millions of other Americans have of it being an out of control vice capital of the world.
Things have really changed over the last 10 years. There have been murders on the strip, shootings on the strip, stabbings on the strip, bombings on the strip, people getting run over on sidewalks on the strip etc. The strip is not a very safe place to be.
The image of the strip is changing to a slime pit. The county better take it back and warnings don't do it. Money controls LV. The county lacks the stones to do anything, apparently.
Its not just the economy that is hurting LV. Locals don't visit the strip unless they have to. Maybe they have an Uncle visiting from Minneapolis or they work there, but they only go there if they have to. Most I know, avoid it like the plague.
What makes you think that visitors haven't gotten wise and feel the same way? There is too much competition out there. Vegas needs to clean up its act.
Right on PWERPLAY.
Until WE take the $$$ out of ALL hack Politician's hands, then this will continue.
It is also obvious that there is corruption here with money being exchanged on Memorial Day weekend for one.
Maybe we should also go after the traitors that recieved the money. Where is the investigation into improprieties?
Thou Shalt not Bribe. Ask all those commissioners who are in jail. Most all politicians are thieves including ours
Loosen up the liscencing & regulation for what goes on inside the clubs/casinos -- public nudity in an adult, controlled, environment just isn't all that big a deal. Focus on the drugs, violence, and theft both within and without -- and start fining the clubs & casinos that let things get out of control.
The Strip & Downtown need to be safe, even for the out-of-state drunks wandering around at 2 AM.
Zumanity has nudity and so do some other shows. Little Dsrlings in completely nude. Go-go dancers grind away next to poker pits. Pools are topless. Whorehouses are 60 minutes away. And the County is worried about a "Wet Boxer" contest?
This is retarded. Hey County... this is an adult town. Leave the adults alone. Some rules are fine. But you are overstepping the bounds of common sense.
So nice to see the county clean up these violators of the rules. Las Vegas will never be able to recover if we allow things like this. It could destroy the reputation of Las Vegas if we allowed nudity or impressions of open sex in a city like this.
Maybe commissioner Reid is trying to send all the visitors to Salt Lake City instead.
The focus should be on busting drug transactions and drunken-disorderly. "Lewd" behavior is subjective and not likely suppressed by morality police.
Those seeking to explore "all inclusive" pleasures of the body, mind and soul need to look no further than the Hedonism (II and/or III) resorts in Jamaica where there are NO SILLY VEGAS RULES, RIP-OFFS and REPERCUSSIONS.
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I do think its nonsense that I can go to Zumanity, get all the cocktails I want and see boobs. But the nightclub in the same building operates by a different set of rules. Same for the party pool. I can get as drunk as I want and see plenty of boobs. But the nightclub...different set of rules. Clark County is insane.
"We will ensure that this business understands what is allowed by county code," Pappa said."
Unless underage patrons are allowed in, what's the problem? Vegas advertises as being the ultimate adult party playground, as it should. The County enforcers aren't parents who get to lay down "the rules." Since it's happy to take the taxes generated by the revelry it is hypocrisy to then attempt to close down these venues -- private property opened for profits, this Valley's lifeblood. The huge fines it levies are just bribes of another color, and that shows what government at every level is about -- getting the money.
Dr Scott -- I'm with you on this.
Thumper -- where exactly do you get any of this outside your own imagination? Nothing else you say is remotely credible or relevant to this Discussion. Due to your tone expect to be disrespected and ignored.
start a legalized red light district
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I think that the commissioners should crack down much harder on the nightclubs. If I want to see naked women, I have plenty of options - they're called strip clubs. A nightclub is not a strip club. I don't want to see boobs when I go out with my friends for dancing and a few drinks.
I'm all for regulating these places and punishing the offenders. Just because Vegas is nick-named "Sin City" doesn't mean that sex and nudity are what nightclubs should be about. And, no, most of the $ coming in to Vegas isn't for orgyclubs disguised as nightclubs. Aren't there other counties for that? Sometimes it sounds like all this lewdness is really for the benefit of sleazy rich local guys (and managers of these places) who benefit financially and otherwise from all this.
Oh please! For those of you who think its ok for these clubs to behave in the manner they have been, you need to grow up! Too many underage girls are ending up drugged, raped, or worse, ending up on "Girls Gone Wild" with the management looking the other way! Enough is enough. These clubs and pools are not classy, they are TRASHY and what's been allowed to happen in these places is a CRIME!
I for one think several of these sleeze holes need shut down! Top of my list:
1. Pure
2. Blush
3. Rain
4. Tyrst
to name a few......
Our city to clean up! You can be an adult playground that doesn't encourage the exploitation of minors and women. I'm glad people are finally saying enough is enough!
KillerB thanks for agreeing with me.
I do not understand people like Thumper, I live in Miami and they allow people to have fun
Thumper I am one of those tourist that support your liberal, drama queen lifestyle. Get a LIFE!!!
To Vivavegas and Critias,
How much money did you spend in nightclubs in the last 12 months? $10 for your one DRINK!! Stop being such a PRUDE!!
To rwal222,
You have to be a FEMINATZY!!
Law enforcement just need to put some undercover people in these clubs as employees. That would keep the club operators on their toes.
To 9ballguy,
That's a great way for law enforcement to use their resources. The city will be much safer without girls showing their boobs in an enclosed nightclub.
HAVE YOU PEOPLE EVER HEARD OF A VICTEMLESS CRIME?
rwal222 says, "These clubs and pools are not classy, they are TRASHY and what's been allowed to happen in these places is a CRIME!"
I seriously doubt you have ever stepped foot in a nightclub. Please, you are the one who needs to grow up and act like an adult. For whom are you trying to "clean up" Las Vegas? Do you know nothing of its history and place in America and the world? This is not about "underage" girls getting "raped" (seriously, the ignorance of that comment is beyond defense).
You folks are blind. Nightclubs are nothing if not sexually-charged mating environments. Always have been, always will be. You may not like the fact that people go there for the purpose of meeting and getting laid, but nobody said you have to go.
This whole thing is would be funny if it weren't so insulting. The Gaming Control Board has no legal power over non-gaming nightclubs -- PERIOD -- so they do the next best thing: They use arbitrary fines to punish the property owners. Yes, arbitrary.
I wonder, when the Gaming Control Board has used the "moral turpitude" clause to finally kill the goose that laid Vegas's golden egg, what will the members of that board do for work?
Dr Scott, James_P -- I could not have said it better. I'm with you guys on this one.
Except, Dr Scott, there really is no such thing as a "victimless crime" except in the dreams of the police state enforcers. Jefferson said it best: "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others." The People, through their Constitutions, are the source of all political and police powers. Unfortunately it's hard to find government anywhere in this country that gives more than lip service to these limits. More crimes mean more "need" for police, prosecutors, jails, probation officers, all that power.
The only thing more scary is the way We the People act more like We the Herd.
Vegas needs to balance classy with trashy, encouraging the former but accepting the latter. Strippers and scantily clad revelers are part and parcel of the "Sin City" package -- just like big name shows, little name shows, and gambling. Don't like it, don't come/live here (Salt Lake, LA or Phoenix may be more to your liking).
Maybe the clubs could be "rated" as to how much nudity they'll allow on premises, with their rating posted out front. Uncomfortable with the rating, go elsewhere.
But we do have an obligation to make it safe, for us and them(tourists). Keep it off the streets and under control. If a club/casino loses control, heavily fine them until they crack down -- which they will if it's costing them $$$. The police need to focus on aggressively combating violence & drugs, not worry about some drunk getting naked at a club (that's what bouncers are for).
IT'S JUST BOOBS !!!! As long as the underage is kept out, who in the f++k cares if they party at the topless parties !!! Seriously..Boobs are Boobs, we all have them what's the big freakin deal. This is so frustrating to read about.. We are in Vegas where sex and sin sells, so WTF???!!! Girls are gonna get drunk and flash there boobs, it's been happening for decades..DUH!! There are so many bars/taverns, criminals in this town,cops included ,that need to get arrested and investigated..Perfect example, Downstairs bar on 11261 S. Eastern, gaming bar, owner doesn't pay his employees, he fills the top shelf liquors{Belvedere,Kettle One,Grey Goose,Gran Marnier) with the cheap stuff and still sells it at cost,fills the wine bottles with boxed wine,has NO hot water in the establishment for cleaning the glassware, and he is still open for business..Moving right along that is ok to cheat paying customers out of what they think they are getting.. No trouble for him, liquor board has no interest in investigating and getting the situation corrected..Neither does the health dept. Ordering a Kettle One and red bull and getting a Popov and roaring Lion instead would sure piss Me off more than seeing a pair of boobs,.seriously..
This whole argument is bizarre.
If you have laws, ordinances or rules, enforce them. If you don't want to enforce them, remove the laws, ordinances or rules.
In the end, the public (marketplace) will tell you what they think by the amount of money they spend.
The crazy thing about Las Vegas is that it has lost its identity. We have gone from a city that had rules and standards of conduct for both the gaming industry and its customers to an anything goes kind of mentality.
Whether or not people want to acknowledge it or not, it has affected image. I don't agree with Obama's comments about Las Vegas and the convention industry, but I understand why he said it.
I put the blame on the Casinos (because they control virtually everything, including public policy). They are fouling their own nests.
Their short sighted money driven objectives are causing long term harm to the industry and the economy of the valley. Its costing people jobs.
The "What Happens in Vegas Stays in Vegas" theme is changing to "What Happens in Vegas Causes Pressure on Industry to Keep their People Home".
Its about image, I am not talking about individual's rights... My point is Clubs like Prive are trashing Vegas' image. It doesn't matter whether reports are accurate or not. Its about image... people getting overcharged, excessive tipping, sexual misconduct, aggressive security, shootings etc. etc. etc.
You think that doesn't impact the Public's perceptions? It will attract some people, no doubt, but are they the one's that you can base an economy on?
The gaming industry is suffering and its not all about the recession. Vegas may be its own worst enemy.
maybe its time for the codes to be changed, Vegas is an adult vacation spot. The clubs are only open late the people are going the clubs on their own free will. The pool parties etc... are the same you know why you are going. Give it a break many people have different believes if you are not into something don't go and realize all people are different
Mac, I think you misunderstood me... Its not about what you or I think. Its what the consumer thinks. If the consumer thinks that Strip has turned into a dive where his safety is in jeopardy then the whole valley suffers.
You seem to worry about giving a break to people that are into different lifestyles and to an extent, I have no problem with that.
But how about giving a break to the people that are working 32 hours a week because Obama has convinced the convention industry that taxpayers dollars don't belong in a "adult vacation spot"?
You have confusion on the strip... sex clubs and rollercoasters. Las Vegas doesn't know what it is and its hurting itself. That's my point.
I do believe in zoning. If you want sex clubs, strip clubs, whorehouses in Clark County I have no problem with that. Put them somewhere, but don't put them where your trying to market yourself as a family oriented vacation spot.
Heck, I got friends in the limo world that would love a "red light" district ten miles outside of town. People will find it and it won't affect the strip at all.
Thats my point.
The is just a waste of tax payer money. The clubs should be able to do what they want. Tourism is what make Las Vegas possible and generates virtually all tax revenue.
The religious right wing conservatives should just leave and go live somewhere else.
The world deserves at least one place without religious brain washing making laws and interfering in our lives.
Thumper, isn't that what the Spotlight Lounge and Green Door are for? This is Disney Land NOT Sin City, right?
What everyone is saying is fine. But this is Vegas. Let it go. If you have a problem with it, don't go there. Pretty simple. Now go have some fun! It's 105 at 8:30 at night!
THEY SAY THAT IT TAKES 50 YEARS TO BUILD A BRAND
AND 15 SECONDS TO DESTROY IT
LAS VEGAS HAS ABSOLUTELY LOST ITS MIND
WHY SPEND MONEY MARKETING A CITY AS A PARTY TOWN
ONLY TO FIND THAT THE METER MAIDS HAVE INVADED THE CLUB SCENE.
THE WORLD IS LEARNING FAST WHAT KIND OF A "PARTY" THIS REALLY IS...
GO TO FRANCE, SPAIN, GERMANY, SOUTH AMERICA AND THEN TELL ME THIS PLACE IS SIN CITY..
MORE LIKE SLOT CITY.