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No real town hall, no problem; local radio talker hosts her own
Sam Morris
Radio personality Heidi Harris holds a photo of an absent Sen. Harry Reid at a town-hall meeting on health care reform at Stoney’s Rockin’ Country on Friday night, sponsored by radio station KDWN-AM.
Sunday, Aug. 16, 2009 | 2 a.m.
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Denied the opportunity to embarrass themselves at any official health care town hall, about 900 angry Nevadans gathered at Stoney’s Rockin’ Country bar Friday evening. Several of them expressed thoughtful concerns about the proper role and size of government. And many, many more of them blamed the nation’s woes on illegal immigrants, a stealthy Marxist coup, a missing birth certificate or a conspiracy of international bankers.
The gathering was hosted by Heidi Harris, who does the angry thing on AM radio in the mornings. Harris and her station, KDWN 720, advertised their town hall as nonpartisan, which is — how to put this — like having a tailgate crowd of guys in spike-studded Oakland Raiders uniforms saying they would like to host an unbiased discussion on the merits of the Kansas City Chiefs. While drinking beer.
Nevada’s congressional delegation and the governor declined invitations, so were represented by empty chairs and cutouts of their heads mounted on sticks.
The speakers shouted at the puppets and demanded their resignations. The Harry Reid puppet came in for special abuse.
Danny Tarkanian, who wants Harry Reid’s Senate seat, was brought on stage by Harris. “What a great thrill it is to be here and see all of your passion and excitement,” he said. He announced that he would hold his own town-hall meetings.
Harris introduced the Republican primary challengers of Gov. Jim Gibbons: North Las Vegas Mayor Mike Montandon and recently ousted state Sen. Joe Heck. She also introduced a Republican challenger of newly elected Democratic Congresswoman Dina Titus, former bank executive John Guedry. “As you can see, he’s very good looking,” Harris said.
Guedry said the problem with a public health insurance option is that it would be cheaper than private insurance plans, so businesses would chose it. “It’s time for common sense in politics,” he said.
A woman from the audience took the microphone and read what she claimed were actual passages from the House bill, including that it would provide free health insurance to illegal immigrants thanks to new taxes on U.S. citizens and exempt illegal immigrants from all taxes.
In fact, here’s what the actual bill says:
“H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
“Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”
The woman also claimed there are provisions in the bill that would give the government direct access to everyone’s bank accounts. That’s not in the bill, either.
One proponent of health insurance reform was allowed onstage to speak. Tom Arthur, gray haired and middle aged, introduced himself as a small-business owner and said he thinks it’s a shame that there are millions of uninsured Americans.
The crowd booed loudly.
Arthur said it’s also a shame that there are thousands of uninsured children in Nevada.
The crowd booed louder and longer.
And finally Arthur said he thinks America’s health care system has failed.
The crowed screamed its boos, and added in calls of “Socialist!” and “Traitor!”
A scan of the crowd revealed signs that read “No Socialist Death Plan,” “Taxed Enough Already,” “Health Reform Say No To B.O.,” and “Death Before Slavery.” There was also an older woman in a hot pink T-shirt, the back of which read, “Get Naked.”
One man, with large springs attached to the heels of his shoes and a bumper sticker affixed to his bandana that read “9-11 Was an Inside Job,” denounced the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission and international bankers, to huge applause.
“They’re taking everything and they’re building the camps right now,” he warned.
The evening closed with a recording of Lee Greenwood’s “God Bless the U.S.A.”
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A trillion on war, no problem. A trillion on health care, problem. Gotta love 24/7 hate radio.
This is proof that when Americans are given a chance to speak a landslide of different opinions and problems are heard. This is why we are hearing of the angry citizens at these meetings, but the anger does not come from just the healthcare issue. We the people of the United States of America are tired of our elected officials not taking care of us. They lie to us,they cheat us, they pass bills to improve big business which we as citizens have to pay for, etc. I don't think there is any question why we the people are mad as hell and don't want to take the crap any more.
I'm very proud of Heidi making this move to hold a Town Hall Meeting. The fact that the polititions who were invited didn't show up is probably why the meeting proceded in a civil manner. Would it be beyond our polititions to understand that the agression shown by our citizens is created by the way they are putting "we the people" on the back burner and are not doing anything to protect and save the "Documents" which are the foundation and strength of our country?
fremma, you gots a Bush hangover!! Him and Cheney got us here.
Who knew there were two t's in politicians? Let's see - let's take out the key words above: angry, lie, cheat, mad, crap, agression. Yes that just about sums it up doesn't it? We The People vote. Period. If you're not happy, learn to spell and read and do your homework and if you don't like what the "polititions" are doing then you vote them out of office. Pretty simple. I think Thomas Jefferson would even agree. However, going to a meeting and shouting and screaming so that the speaker cannot explain anything is just plain tacky and typical of the Angry Lying Cheating Mad as Hell Crappy Agression Crowd. Either shut up and listen and then rant about the facts or just go back to watching American Idol.
And who listens to AM anymore anyway???
vegasj, I believe it was the Clinton Administration who passed NAFTA. Precurser to the: SPP, North American Union, the right for mexican truckers to drive goods in and around our country, more immigration reform to give millions of Mexican citizens a path to American citizenship, inaction by Immigration and Cutoms Enforcement on the millions of illegals in our country, inaction by our Government on e-verify to make it manditory for employers to use as a hiring tool, inaction by our Government on outsourcing thousands of jobs to Mexico, etc.
This list has been a bypartisan effort delivered by our GOVERNMENT.... DEMOCRAT and REPUBLICAN, to destroy our middle class.
Did you hear Calderon at the meeting of the Security and Prosperity Partnership? He was all upset because the USA wasn't working hard enough to meet the terms listed on the NAFTA Document.
Bush and Cheney have done their part of the destruction which is going on, but it has been going on before them back to when the trilateral commission was formed
Elections have consequences! The last 28 years of GOP rule( including WJC) has brought us to this point. The GWB administration decimated all the executive branch budgets DOL, EPA, ant others that he didn't like. ICE has been underfunded and undermanned for years! This really makes it hard for native born Americans to do migrant farm work. As far paving and landscape crews as concerned, these Undocumented Workers are being exploited by their employers and their low wages. So much for the GOP's Law and Order bona fides. The SEC was also underfunded. As was the Interior Dept's watchdog groups. The GOP's top thinkers know that if a good comprehensive Health care plan is passed, then they will be marginalized more than they are. Americans are tired of buying the hate and fear that they are selling(the GOP). We will see the rise of anti-gov't militias and other right wing extremists. They will be violent, so be careful.
The other hate talk station in town said this was not a real town hall, only their "station" was. Heidi is baring arms in her little black dress, obviously influenced by the first lady.
Baby Tark has marginalised himself even more by associating himself with another kook talk radio station.
Looks like like the same crowd that showed up at the Sean Insanity freedumb concert. (Although this seems to be attended by more people.)
They should have rented some minorities from a day labor center to make their gathering look more diverse.
Proof yet again of liberal media bias. Another disgrace for the LV Sun
Funny how the Neonuts love Lee Greenwood. The same guy who opened Bush 1's 92 convention, the "Family Values" convention with "God bless the USA". Nobody noticed that Mr Greenwood was just starting his 5th marriage to a much younger chickie at the time. Real family values, and yes, what a great country....
Looks like the author of this article has a few bias. Report the news and let the people decide.
"Guedry said the problem with a public health insurance option is that it would be cheaper than private insurance plans, so businesses would chose it. "It's time for common sense in politics," he said."
I would say so, and obv this is an example of not having any. Saying something like this and people cheering shows how far off the cracker the cheese has slid. Imagine, people being happy to pay more money to huge corporations.
Larry,
How is reporting what a member of the crowd says is in the bill, but is actually not in the bill, a bias?
How is reporting what Mr. Arthur said, and the subsequent crowd reaction, a bias?
The mirror never lies. And it seems to me as if the republicans do not want to own their own reflection.
JahReb,
How? Read the first clause of the article...
"Denied the opportunity to embarrass themselves at any official health care town hall,"
...the bias proceeds from there and only gets worse.
Brendan Buhler,
You are incorrect on at least 2 issues in your letter.
On illegal aliens there is one sentence in a 1018 page bill and it states:
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals not lawfully present in the United States.
You should have kept reading. There is a lot of money being spent in this bill outside of affordability credits. There are millions in grants and benefits, and no other verbiage in this bill excludes illegal aliens from receiving benefits, services, or healthcare from non-affordability credit monies. Affordability credits are just a small portion of the money being spent in this bill.
As far as direct access to bank accounts, read on:
GOALS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS:
(D) enable the real-time (or near real time) determination of an individual's financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific
service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card;
(E) enable, where feasible, near real-time adjudication of claims;
(F) provide for timely acknowledgment, response, and status reporting applicable to any electronic transaction deemed appropriate by the Secretary;
This can be found on page 58 of the AAHCA.
I encourage everyone to read it.
mred,
Look at you talking about everything and everyone BUT health care.
The Freedom Concert is a charity event that benefits the children of our soldiers wounded and killed in their service to our country. It was a sold out event attended by 16,000 people.
Further proof that you do not have any clue what your talking about.
"They're taking everything and they're building the camps right now."
God help us, that is what the neo-con fear-mongers have led these poor sheeple to believe!
DAVE202; I bet you love the R.J.! They are so fair and balanced, led by the un-esteemed Sherman Fredericks, who wouldn't know journalism ethics if they smacked him in the face.
Nice the author deems these people as crazy. Remember, they ALL vote.
nieman1, fortunately Heidi has found a time slot and a place where she can get 900 listeners. Over the four years that I have occasionally given her five minutes of my drive time on some mornings, her station has diligently attempted to find a set of listeners to her drivel. (I have particularly enjoyed her making a fool of herself on the rare occasions when she appears on Chris Matthews' show on MSNBC.) By the way, how is Mr. Beck doing in her old time slot? Again, fortunately, all of them don't vote. As far as voting participation, they are just like many other Americans, they would have voted, "but (add your own excuse)". If they would all vote republican, as I suspect they would be driven to do, maybe the house of representatives would have 179 republicans instead of 178.
heidi harris-now there is a compassionate conservative-lol. heidi your a joke. go back to your racist gun toting idiots
isn't it sad when poeple who have become totally and completely irrelevant don't realize that they have become totally and completely irrelevant...
hee hee hee...
it's sad...
pathetic really...
this meeting was nothing more than a sad attempt to pretend that they still matter...
well guess what boys and girls...
they don't matter at all...
hee hee hee...
hoo hoo hoo...
haa haa haa...
Illegal aliens will be covered in this Bill, If not overtly then covertly.
Our esteemed Congress will vote on a bill that excludes them and while it is being walked to the Pres for his signature it will be added. Probably by Chris Dodd. Everybody will have deniability.
If you don't know what I am talking about you have a short memory.
Just make the language plain. This affordability credits language sounds like a good place to hide stuff
BTW, France excluded illegals from their National System. It patches them up and deports them.
Let me share a bit of historical fact for those who subscribe to the current misinformed fear mongering zealots. History is a great teacher if we bother to research, listen and learn.
After all, as evidenced in this comment board, we still hear from our right wingers that we have a red scare and must rid our nation of actual commies.
So the birthers, it appears the anti-tax tea-partiers, the town hall hecklers -- are these "either" the genuine grass roots or evil conspirators staging scenes for YouTube?
In the early 1950s, Republicans referred to the presidencies of Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman as "20 years of treason" and accused the men who led the fight against fascism of deliberately surrendering the free world to communism. And Vice President Richard Nixon claimed that the new Republicans arriving in the White House "found in the files a blueprint for socializing America."
When John F. Kennedy entered the White House, his proposals to anchor America's nuclear defense in intercontinental ballistic missiles --instead of long-range bombers -- and form closer ties with Eastern Bloc outliers such as Yugoslavia were taken as evidence that the young president was secretly disarming the United States.
Before the "black helicopters" of the 1990s, there were right-wingers claiming access to secret documents from the 1920s proving that the entire concept of a "civil rights movement" had been hatched in the Soviet Union; when the landmark 1964 Civil Rights Act was introduced, one frequently read in the South that it would "enslave" whites.
My personal favorite? The federal government expanded mental health services in the Kennedy era, and one bill provided for a new facility in Alaska. One of the most widely listened-to right-wing radio programs in the country, had millions of Americans believing it was being built to intern political dissidents, just like in the Soviet Union.
So, crazier then, or crazier now? Actually, the similarities across decades are uncanny.
Conservatives have become adept at playing the media for suckers. getting inside the heads of editors and reporters, haunting claim. It takes journalistic courage to debunk such absurd claims as "Death Panels".
The tree of crazy is an ever-present aspect of America's landscape. Latest word is that the enlightened and mild provision in the draft legislation to help elderly people who want living wills should be demonized as "Death Panels". The absurdity from the right shames all enlightened citizens who want civil debate.
By the way, in reflection, good thing our leaders weren't so cowardly in 1964, or we would never have passed a civil rights bill -- because of complaints over the provisions in it that would enslave whites.
I was there. I sat at the same table with Tom Auther.
It was something to behold. If these are the people to help the GOP the next few cycles are going to be a cake walk for my people that are now steering the bus.
Mr. Buhler did justice to the craziness in the room.
Freeandinformed your post is almost better than the article by Mr. Buhler my hat's off to you sir.
I love my country and my President.
RSN,
As I pointed out above, Mr. Buhler did not do justice, he was incorrect on the subject of what the bill says.
A bunch of angry white trash.
America, love it or leave it.
Again,Senator Harry Reid ignoring the people of Nevada. His arrogance toward us is not going unnoticed. He is out-of-step with the people he is supposed to be representing. His time has come and gone. Harry Reid no longer should be our representative. In 2010 let's get a fresh start and replace him! It's time to say "Bye-bye Harry" and usher in an era of fresh ideas and ACCOUNTABILITY!
Prediction for the 2010 election for governor:
Sandoval 60%
Junior Reid: 40%
I love it when the tinfoil hat wearing dopes try and decipher legalese...
GOALS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS:
(D) enable the real-time (or near real time) determination of an individual's financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card;
You mean they're going to tell me what my bill is when I arrive at the doctor's office? Wow, that's never been done. They might even be able to call beforehand and tell me how much I'm going to owe AND be able to tell me IN REAL TIME whether or not the hospital I'm about to walk into is covered under my plan?!?! Holy crap! Revolutionary!!!
(E) enable, where feasible, near real-time adjudication of claims;
You mean, they'll tell me over the phone if a claim is covered?!?! WOW!!!
(F) provide for timely acknowledgment, response, and status reporting applicable to any electronic transaction deemed appropriate by the Secretary;
You mean, they'll be able to tell me a history of payments and claims I've made? Sheesh. Get these guys a medal!
This is why we're screwed in this debate -- the conversation is being driven by the dumbest segment of our population. The people who believe 9/11 was an inside job and that Obama wasn't born in the U.S. are, for reasons yet unknown, against reform in health care.
The media needs to stop giving these people a legitimate forum to lay out their insane beliefs. Out of fear of being called unbiased, the media gives credence to the idea that an AARP approved health care plan will provide death panels to kill grandma. That's bat-s*** insane, yet the media laps it up unquestioningly.
Brenden's story was a refreshing look at the nutty deather movement. I loved it and wish we could see more of this kind of treatment from the media.
Also Henderson, illegals are currently prohibited from getting ANY federal aid for health care. The new bill will not change that. So, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals not lawfully present in the United States," applies perfectly.
Congress is in recess dummy. Nothing has been added or dropped from HR 3200.
That is not true jack. It would require verbiage within the bill that specifically forbids any of the grant monies given to the states from being used to provide benefits, health care, and services to illegals.
Your argument is that the states MIGHT get grant money from the bill and MIGHT provide care to illegals with it?
Man that's a weak argument. You concede the bill does not directly give benefits to illegals?
There are millions in grant monies for the states. Many of these grants seem especially targeted for the illegal population.
Are you really suggesting that you don't believe this administration would sneak services, benefits and health care for illegal immigrants into this 1018 page bill? If so, you are delusional.
Remember, si se puede?
Good news! The White House appears ready to drop 'public option'.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_car...
I concede the bill does not give affordability credits to illegals. There are plenty of benefits within this bill that do not include afforability credits.
If the intention was that no federal money shall go to benefit illegal aliens, than why wouldn't they have written section 246 to say that? Instead it only assures us that "affordability credits" will not go toward illegals.
You don't find that a fishy workaround? I do.
RIP Public Option!!
Yes, I do not think there are provisions in the bill providing care for illegals, especially since it is currently illegal under federal law and after authors added, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals not lawfully present in the United States," to the bill's text.
If you have seen any text in the bill stating otherwise, feel free to post it. Until then you're simply failing at speculating.
And again, Congress is in recess. Nothing has been added or removed from HR 3200.
Crackerjack: of course the legislation doesn't "directly" give benefits to illegals. That's part of the Liberal hustle, taking care of those we supposedly have victimized since time immmemorial. Its your guilt not mine. You and your fellow travelers can pay for them.
Affordability credits are just a portion of this bill.
There is nothing in writing preventing any other benefits or grant money from being spent towards programs that benefit illegals.
If it were illegal under federal law, why would it specifically mention affordability credits?
Your explanation makes no sense.
The public option is already dead, so I'm going to take that as a sign that we might get some of the other bad stuff in this bill thrown out too.
It's a good day.
Hey Mike,
Thanks for proving my above point -- this debate is being driven by the dumbest members of our society.
This is an English speaking website. I had a hard time decoding what you said, so I put your post into Google Translate. I'm sure smoke came out of their system while it tried to find a word in the English language containing three M's, but I digress.
I don't advocate for illegals getting free care, I just want people like you and Henderson to show exactly where in the bill illegals are covered.
Since I already know that you can't do it, I won't hold my breath.
Henderson, you can answer your question on affordability credits by simply learning what one is. As we've already seen, deciphering legalese isn't your strong point, so I'll understand if you swing and miss a couple of times.
And again, just to be clear, you concede there is nothing in this bill providing aid to illegals?
Jack,
The bill does not say, "NO FEDERAL MONEY IN THIS BILL MAY BE USED TOWARDS ILLEGALS".
What is says is, "NO FEDERAL MONEY CAN GO TOWARD AFFORDABILITY CREDITS FOR ILLEGALS."
Jack...
DO...YOU...UNDERSTAND...THE...DIFFERENCE...BETWEEN...THOSE...TWO...SENTENCES?
Seriously, what's wrong with you Jack? I know you want to be right, but you're not.
There is nothing in this bill preventing illegals from getting anything
OTHER THAN AFFORDABILITY CREDITS.
And let's all take a moment of silence to mourn the death of the Public Option.
NOT!
You deserve a little pat on the head.
What is an affordability credit?
It is the system that the government will use to distribute funds to people seeking care.
Who can get affordability credits?
U.S. citizens meeting certain income requirements.
Who cannot get affordability credits?
U.S. citizens over certain income requirements. Illegals.
Who can get aide under the public plan WITHOUT affordability credits?
No one, including illegal immigrants.
Why does the bill say "affordability credit?"
Because there is no other system within this bill to distribute funds and aid.
Therefore, illegals cannot get aid through this program, because they are strictly prohibited from collecting the only form of aid in the bill -- affordiblity credits.
I'll understand if you need me to draw you a picture.
And again, you concede there is nothing in this bill providing aid to illegals?
crackerjack: take a tour of the emergency rooms along the border and in all of our major cities. Better yet, just stick you nose in the ER at UMC.
I'm sick of paying for the illegal, indolent, and obese. Into which category do you fit?
Mormons,
I don't care if the public option goes away. I have great insurance and am more in favor of reform than a public option.
Mike,
You're obviously sick of paying for education, too.
"Because there is no other system within this bill to distribute funds and aid."
Jack, you are HORRIBLY mistaken and you have not read this bill.
I don't even know why you're here trying to talk about it.
There is a ton of money in this bill that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with affordability credits. Quit trying to make people believe you know something!
Please give examples of health care aid given to people outside of affordability credits.
I read the above comments somewhat disturbed by the poor writing skills. I guess there are more English D and F students in our country then I realized. The other side of this is I also read comments by those who exam an issue with intelligence. There may be hope for our country. Heidi Harris is becoming the Ann Coulter of radio, scary thought isn't it. She is probably hoping for a job with Fox. She certainly put together a very interesting town hall meeting. Do it at a bar so everyone can get drunk and congratulate them selves on a job well done. Then they can also have a mutual admiration society meeting afterward. This is America and they have a right to scream and shout and be stupid. I only hope that the intelligent segment of our country ignore their actions using common sense in evaluating the health care reform issue. Of course that is my opinion and I could be wrong.
crackerjack: Ah, so you're an educator...er...I mean teacher. Yes, as a matter of fact, I sure am. How does the old jingle go, "Those who can't, teach." Or words to that effect.
Las Vegas freak show. Bravo...
The writer of the story says, "who does the angry thing on AM radio in the mornings".
That is editorial.
Let's give two cheers to the Sun for writing editorials in their news articles.
It is not like they do that every day. They just do it every other day.
.....Excellent professional journalism at work.
I can tell that the writer and people like jemster2 do not listen to Heidi Harris. Most of the time Heidi is telling jokes and having a good time.
720 AM is a great station - especially Part-Time Pete! Broadcasting right out of the Plaza, it is one of the coolest vintage things about downtown Vegas.
Heidi Harris, however, is a circus clown.
KDWN has always had a right-wing bent, but I'd rather listen to libertarians than wacky washed-up Republicans.
jack,
Are you telling me that you think affordability credits are the only monies being distributed with this bill that addresses health care and benefits?
I honestly don't know why you are trying to have this conversation when it's extremely clear that you have not read HR 3200.
Seriously, talking to someone like you is a waste of time. It just proves that it doesn't matter to you what is actually in the bill.
As a newbie to LV, i didnt realize there were so many angry people here. Also it seems so politically conservative despite this being the "sin city." Can someone enlighten me on this oxymoron?
LVnewbie,
The Las Vegas Sun is a very liberal pamphlet that gets delivered with the Review Journal that everyone buys. Because the Sun is very liberal, they are always spinning things in a way that gets us conservatives all riled up! So a lot of us come here to address the issues being discussed in this rag.
And welcome to Las Vegas!
Wow looks like some of you are having fun.
Like I said I was there. And there was more ignorance and hate than anything politically intimidating. Mr. Buhler the writer of the article hit the nail on the head and let the reader know what it might have been like to be there if they were there and not wearing a tin foil hat.
When we get this bill passed and we will we'll just keep steering the bus in the right direction.
Elections have consequences and the slightly left are at the controls and we are perfecting our union.
God bless America and God bless the President of the United States.
Hendo,
I'll take that as a no -- you cannot give examples of health care aid given to people outside of affordability credits.
But I'll entertain your question anyway -- no, I do not think affordability credits are the only monies being distributed with this bill that addresses health care and benefits.
But since federal aid distribution to illegals is currently banned, and HR3200 distributes money into the public option through credits, you concede the bill will not give illegals health care?
Let's review last November.
President Obama won Nevada by 12 points.
Dina Titus unseated Mr. Porter.
Bob Beers was ousted from the State Senate.
ahhhhhhhhh smells like victory.
Si se puede.
And we did.
NSR: Yeah, and I won a jackpot three years ago. Nevada will go back into the Republican column next year. Unfortunately, Republicans/Democrats are two sides of the same coin.
We all won the jackpot last November.
And sorry about the victory laps, just can't help myself.
God Bless America.
jack, I concede no such thing.
If federal aid distribution to illegals was banned, (you'll have to forgive me for not taking your word on this)
why does the bill specifically state that illegals will not receive any money for affordability credits, but it does not say illegals cannot benefit from any of the millions of dollars in grant money the bill designates for programs, benefits, or education?
Your argument makes no sense. I think you just want so badly for it to be true that you will never believe it!
You keep your chin up RSN! We're all winners here! Today was a great day for freedom!
God Bless America indeed!
What do Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and Harris have in common?
Dropouts. All with the exception of Harris dropped out of college in their first year. Harris...never even applied to college, opting instead to sing in gin mills upon graduation.
And yet these clowns, with a flat screen of the Drudge report in front of their microphone every morning speak (extemporaneously???) as paragons of virtue and exemplars of the way things are suppose to be day after day after day. It is heartbreaking.
i have to tell you...
i always thought heidi harris looked a little...
hmmm...
how do i say this in a pc manner...
i always thought she looked a little mentally challenged...
like she has a syndrome...
if you catch my drift...
and hosting these activities...
well...
that certainly seems even more possible now...
and this is, of course, in addition to the mental handicap that clearly has affected all of our poor poor terribly misguided republican friends...
a double whammie if you will!!!
If anybody is an expert on mentally challenged or having mental handicaps then it would be Birdie.
cradle,
I was not aware they were dropouts. You know what else Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck have in common? They are wildly successful multimillionaires that millions of listeners tune in to hear every day!
They are also in good company.
Are you aware of these HIGH SCHOOL drop outs?
HG Wells
Jim Clark (Netscape founder)
Andrew Jackson (7th U.S. President)
Richard Branson
George Eastman (Kodak)
Albert Einstein
Just to name a few.
Just like the Freeedumb concert, that only had a few paying people attend (most of the tickets were comped) this event was another white nite for birthers, birchers, kooks and others on social security and medicare --hypocritical leaches. Ollie North, Greenwood, a bunch of nuts.
The new VA bill (opposed by Bush and McCain) takes care of military widows and orphans. (I hope the IRS and FBI investigate anything North has to do with.)
How come flakes like Heidi, Hannity and the other members of the crowd didn't wear their lederhosen and arm bands?
I hope Obama agents photographed these people so face-recognition technology can be used to identify them at a later date, and they can be rounded up and interned in the secret camps being built right now. They also should be denied all medical care once we get the Cuba style health-care system in place that Obama is planning.
Many people that have MBA's and other Master degrees from the likes of Ivy League schools are not so bright.
Just look at the whole banking/lending meltdown.
Look at Biden.....he thinks he graduated from the top half of his law class. He graduated 75th out 86th students.
He also once said that Obama will focus on a 3 letter word, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs.
He once promoted the idea of splitting Iraq into tiny countries and to give Iran $500 million just to open a dialogue with them.
He said FDR went on TV after the stock market crash to talk to the America people.
He said that we need to spend our way out bankruptcy.
He once asked his staff for the "number" for the Recovery.gov. He was dumb for asking for it or even worse he is so dumb that he was going to tell millions to go to 209.225.35.43.
He once asked a man in a wheelchair to stand up.
He has been caught stealing other words and claiming them as his own both in college and after college.
He has lied about the degrees he earned.
He gave Israel the green light to attack Iran.
Right before high level US officals were about to have high level talks with the Russia government, he gave a speech that said that Russians are so weak the US can bully them.
The White House most likely has a rapid response PR team just to deal with Biden's gaffes.
Everyday, I pray that Obama remains healthly for the next few years.
We have a total idiot who is just one breath away from running the government.
OH MY GOD! I hope all of you stay rich and healthy because I have seen what having no health insurance can do. My Mom is 63 too young for medicare and almost had to have her leg amputated due to a spider bite. (yes..this can really happen)
Because she did not have insurance the hospital bill ran past $30,000 - This is what happens folks.
Again--hope and pray that you stay rich, white, and healthy.
mred,
You just make sh*t up all the time! The Freedom Concert is a charity event to benefit the children of our soldiers wounded or killed in service to our country. 16,000 people went, and NO, MOST OF THE TICKETS WERE NOT COMPED!
lisa,
What's white got to do with it?
And I heard that Bill Gates also dropped out of college. No wonder he never made anything of himself. What a loser. I bet we will have to pay his medical expenses...
We need Ronald Reagan!
Bill Gates
Albert Einstein
Steve Jobs (for a little while)
of course, wonderful stories, inspirational, I too recall fondly these algeresque stories of mid and late twentieth century lore.
But the point is these clowns on radio have made their fortunes bashing the ever loving snot out of the so called liberal elites and all that liberal edjamucaysheeun they get at those liberal colleges........who the hell are these people to be that way? It's evil is what it is, just evil.
There ain't gonna be a Health Care revision this year or any other year. These phony politicians have no desire to change anything. They will just get all of you riled up and nothing will happen. Jimmy Carter tried it and Bill Clinton did too. They all failed and Obama will fail too.
My question is this: even though this was an unofficial event and there were no political officials present, did the crowd still yell?
Rooster, eventually there will be reform. The conversation is coming up more and more. It is only a matter of how long the right wing can delay it.
So this is where all the "real americans" were on Friday night! Thanks for the great article. Town hall meetings are nothing more than veiled racist rants by people who are jealous and scared we have a black president.
I love my country and my president.
The LV Sun is a joke! You call this piece journalism? How about simply covering a story from an unbiased perspective. It's no surprise that you fools are running the news paper business into the ground.
Well I'm shocked, just shocked that there were only 900 people at Stoney's Rockin' Country bar on Friday night.
I would think that a state like Nevada that can elect the inane Love Gov, Jim Gibbons and the "C" Street, Family first (and f**k the voters) Senator John Ensign, would have more than 900 people who rode to school in the short bus.
"Teabaggers," "Birthers" and the (kicking and screaming like they missed their afternoon nap) "two-year-olds against Health Care Reform," are a symptom of everything that is wrong with America. These folks are, nothing more nor nothing less than, hateful bigots.
900 rich people in one place at one time. what were they giving away.
hendrickson, do you still contend WMD was found in Iraq?, your station makes up stuff everyday. Why don't you go back to spraying bugs?
Speaking of the lies at at the Kbong rally. One of the first speakers announced to the angry mob of tin hat wearing white people that there were 500 people outside that could not get in. Cheers went up and beers were raised. In fact the back of the room was empty and there were only 2 teenagers outside that lacked the ID to enter a bar.
Lying and crazy does make money but it no longer wins elections. Right Mr. Beers?
hey lisa...
here is the saddest part of all...
these fools aren't rich...
they are either lobbyists or think tank clowns or paid activists who are arguing on behalf of the rich folks...
think about that...
some clowns are are so rich like insurance companies that they can pay fools to spend their days posting here...
think about that for a second...
that is how distorted our system has become...
or...
they are fools that are too dumb to realize they they are votting against their own self interests...
they have been so filled with crap by cluster fox, or rushbo the drug addict, or hate talk radio that they can't think of anything on their own...
it is sad...
really really sad...
they have no idea how close to disaster they are...
or...
they are already on medicare...
so they have their own public option program already...
and they love it...
and they don't want anyone else to get it...
either way...
they are filled with negative karma...
and karma has a way of bting you in the butt...
bite away karma bite away!!!
And a moment of silence for the Public Option.....may it RIP!!
We are certainly doing something right!
Brendan Bueller is just another one of them hippie "reporters" what with all his "facts" and stuff. We know this is the Trilateralist conspiracy to feed Christian babies to Marxist Mexicans.
God Bless the USA and Heidi Harris! Get Naked!
hey henderson...
good god man...
you post an awful lot...
you know...
i am starting to rethink my opinion of you...
you just might be a lobbyist or think tank clown or paid activist...
and if so...
you are without a doubt the most dim witted of them all...
whoever pays your salary is getting ripped off...
hee hee hee...
tell you what buddy...
why don't you take our little oath...
what do you say partner...
hmmm...
now...
regarding the public option...
that was nothing more than a non profit competitor to the big insurance companies...
so...
in essence you are cheering that now the insurance companies will make more money now...
atta boy...
cheer away...
feel good about yourself...
now that means thousands of innocent children will not get insurance coverage...
and die...
feel good about that henderson...
you done good...
you are the man...
you have health insurance and you endless argue against insuring innocent children...
feel good about yourself buddy...
i just don't get it...
but i do get the fact that there is a special place in hell reserved just for you...
burn baby burn!!!
.....birdiedreamin.... is dominating the page again... Why? nobody understands your rant...and what is it with the ... are you inventing a new language? get off the chair...change your underwear...put on clean clothes...or at least different clothes...and leave your crib and get jiggy wit it...yo man...The only reason you don't have health insurance is they treat you for free at the emergency room anyway, they're not allowed to refuse you...even if you are an illegal criminal alien with 4 kids in the waiting room and one in the oven...Remember this We are The Late Great United States...
Republican principles only apply to Democrats, not Republicans.
If a Democrat (Clinton) commits adultery Republicans initiate a constitutional crisis. But when Republicans (Ensign, Sanford, and apparently endless others) commit adultery it's "no big deal".
When Democrats run deficits, it's an intolerable burden on our children and future generations, but when Republicans run deficits, "they don't matter". Hence Republican principles mean absolutely nothing... The GOP is the party of nothing, home of the know nothings. And ignorant babe Sarah Palin is their patron saint!
krases..There will be Health Care Reform when "Hair grows here" Mexico will be the 51st state by then and the Chinese will own the whole West Coast. The big insurance companies control the health care, if you don't like their program move to Canada, England, Sweden and any other country that has Socialized Medicine. Insurance companies buy all the important votes in Congress. The discussion of health care is just eyewash, Obama , Pelosi, Reid etc, They all understand the system and they thrive on it. Government wants to control Health Care and they can't even control the discussion of Health Care. Like I said "The Late Great United States"
I once again complement the Sun for the open forum they have given everyone to use to express their views, right wrong or otherwise. I don't see anything like this from the RJ except through their editorial section which is lame at the most. This forum allows everyone an opportunity to express their opinion on any one of their articles. This is what makes America a great country.
rooster wants to protect the insurance companies' profits...
yippie...
atta boy...
tell you what buddy...
why don't you take our little oath...
just state for the record that you are not a lobbyist, think tank clown, or paid activist...
simple...
what do you say partner...
How many people (sheep) at the lovefest receive Medicare (government funded), VA Health Benefits (government funded), or other government funded health benefits. The sheep at that meeting are probably like others in society, I want my free health benefits but everybody else has to pay through the nose. The most troubling about all of this is none of those 900 sheep had any solutions to a major major problem that Obama is trying to solve. The health care system we have now is as outdated as AM radio.
Hendo,
Google is your friend. Try "Who qualifies for Medicare/Medicaid" as an example. You'll see illegals are strictly exempt from the list.
Now, I concede that there are certain illegals out there with fake SSN's who are getting aid. That's a different debate for a different day. But as you can see, federal law forbids them from getting aid.
So they can't get aid from the government to begin with, and they can't get aid from this new bill, are you still holding on to your belief that HR 3200 gives health care aid to illegals? If so, please cite sections of the bill to back up your claim.
Now for my other question -- and this is directed at everyone against the public option. Why don't you want public health care for those uninsured?
Today is another great day for FREEDOM!!!
Today we not only celebrate the death of the Public Option...but today we also celebrate the death of another great big fat Obama lie...
RIP to flag@whitehouse.gov !
That's right freedom lovers! See, first they tell us to send them any "fishy" information. Then when they are cornered about it they say, "We aren't actually retaining any of that information!" Thus admitting that they are either lying or in serious violation of the law that says the White House cannot delete any emails!
So which one of those do you Obama lovers want your president to be. Do you want him to be the guy that tells you to report dissenters to the government? Do you want him to be the guy that lies about what he's doing with our private information? Or do you want him to be the guy that is breaking a very important law by deleting the emails he requested?
Who am I kidding, the guy could use the flag for toilet paper and you people wouldn't care.
RIP to the Public Option and to flag@whitehouse.gov.
God Bless America
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jack, you are like a pesky fly. I'm saying this last thing to you and that's all....
Read my post at 8/16/09 at 9:02 p.m.
Then tell me why the democrats flatly rejected the amendment that would have included verbiage in the bill requiring screening to make sure illegal immigrants received no portion of benefits, programs, or healthcare from this bill.
Then tell me why they intentionally inserted a section that eliminates the need to provide any documentation as proof of eligibility?
They say illegals are not eligible to recieve benefits under this health care plan, but they have absolutely refused to add teeth or even proper written legislation to back up that statement. They thought the American people were stupid enough to think that one sentence about "affordability credits" would make us believe
them.
Turns out, your one of the few that are actually that naive.
Right, no teeth...
"Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
Again, please site ANY portion of the bill providing aid to illegal aliens. ANYTHING to back up your claim will be fine (I feel like I'm Alex Trebek SNL's Celebrity Jeopardy telling the dumb contestants the answer to Final Jeopardy -- "Write a word... Any word will work... Two letters butted together will be just fine.).
You've got nothing and fail again.
At the next Kbong rally we should have William Shatner come and read half term Governor Palinisms to the sound of bongos and a base.
Now that I would pay to see.
Mr. Henderson-
Would you please provide me with the section number of HR13200 that eliminates the need to provide any documentation as proof of eligibility. I thought I read it once but I can not find it now.
Maybe the Rooster cut it out and put it in the bottom of Birdie's cage...
hey captjack...
it may take henderson a few minutes to respond...
he has to call his bosses first and get an answer...
hee hee hee...
Larry,
That is under section 1203 - Eliminating Barriers to Enrollment. The specific portion of that section begins on page 391, line 3.
jack, I'm not engaging with you anymore. Affordability credits are the only thing expressly denied to illegals in this bill.
I'm sorry you're having trouble understanding that.
Let's be clear here. The bill explicitly states illegals will not get care. Hendo believes there's some sort of backdoor route for illegals to get access -- they MIGHT get access to a grant.
Unfortunately, that's impossible unless the feds release grant/benefit money to a state that allows illegals to get aid. Nevada isn't on that list...
Although he's unable to cite ANYTHING that provides aid to illegals in the bill, because of the very slim chance that illegals might get aid through a convoluted system Hendo has devised in his clouded head, he is against HCR.
So I'll take that as a no. You cannot cite any section of the bill that provides aid to illegals?
I bet good money that Sun would never print the outrageous stuff that Dems say at their get-togethers like the USA developed AIDS and give it to blacks.
For instance, over 40% of Dems that Bush knew that 9/11 was going to happen but did nothing to stop it.
40% of Dems are just plain nuts.
The Sun is the offical voice of the Democrat Party.
If you want news then go somewhere else. This article is full of editorial statements and not even close to being an actually news article.
If you want the Democratic talking points then this is an excellent site for that information.
Goddamn you're dumb. Where you've gone ahead and actually cited portions of HR 3200, you're interpretation has failed in spectacular fashion.
How about you look up what documentation is required to apply for social security under the act before you open your mouth on revisions.
SEC. 1203. ELIMINATING BARRIERS TO ENROLLMENT.
(a) ADMINISTRATIVE VERIFICATION OF INCOME AND RESOURCES UNDER THE LOW-INCOME SUBSIDY PROGRAM.
(1) IN GENERAL.--Clause (iii) of section 1860D--14(a)(3)(E) of the Social Security Act is amended to read as follows:
(iii) CERTIFICATION OF INCOME AND RESOURCES.--For purposes of applying this section--
(I) an individual shall be permitted to apply on the basis of self certification of income and resources;
You mean, they're going to let me apply and I have to show them documentation of my income and what I currently own in assets? What!?!?! That has never happened!
(II) matters attested to in the application shall be subject to appropriate methods of verification without the need of the individual to provide additional documentation, except in extraordinary situations as determined by the Commissioner.''.
You mean, someone's going to look at my application and tell me whether or not I qualify and, if my documents come back suspect after the routine application process, someone will call me and ask for further verification?
Wow...
I noticed another sponsor of talk radio is in legal trouble, the identity theft protection company. Let's see we had Zycam, advertised by Limpbaugh that was pulled from the market because it caused some people to loose their sense of smell, then the company that made the weight loss pills that reduced "stress", that was pulled, then there was the liquid vitamin stuff that supposedly cured cancer..
..I love the dittoheads getting ripped off by their masters...
jack,
"Let's be clear here. The bill explicitly states illegals will not get care"
If that were true, we wouldn't be having this conversation. What it says is illegals won't get affordability credits.
No, if you could cite a single example of illegals getting ANY form of care in HR 3200, I would walk away and say, "You win!"
But you can't.
Maybe if your skills at reading legal documents weren't so subpar, we wouldn't be having this debate.
hey captjack...
ask henderson to explain bills to you...
you get the same jibberish...
i haven't figured this clown out yet...
on the one hand...
he spends all day here spewing nonsense...
so it really gives one the impression that he is a lobbyist or think tank clown or paid activist...
on the other hand...
he is just plain old dumb...
too dumb to still be employed as a lobbyist or think tank clown or paid activist...
so...
who knows...
one of life's little mysteries...
Anyone look at today's Gallup poll data? Six months into the Obama excursion, liberals are once again an endangered species.
Heidi Harris is nothing more than a far right-wing talk radio host that wants nothing more than to be the a Vegas version of Ann Coulter. Her JOB is to whip up ultra-conservative fears and drive people based on fear-mongering, distortions and lies. Doesn't that help her corporate advertisers?
I am appalled that simply because an individual voices a different opinion, people denounce him as a traitor. Is that what we have come to? What happened to cherishing free speech like all these supposed "conservatives" bank so much on? Obviously, they only care about it when it applies to them.
This was just a good excuse for right wingers to scream, yell and spout off falsehoods that are easily squashed when you actually look at the bill. Stop blindly believing random chain email your friend's friend sent you.
Despite the Democratic Party's political strength -- seen in its majority representation in Congress and in state houses across the country -- more Americans consider themselves conservative than liberal. While Gallup polling has found this to be true at the national level over many years, and spanning recent Republican as well as Democratic presidential administrations, the present analysis confirms that the pattern also largely holds at the state level. Conservatives outnumber liberals by statistically significant margins in 47 of the 50 states, with the two groups statistically tied in Hawaii, Vermont, and Massachusetts.
Not once again same as always ...
Obama visited the Grand Canyon, it's obvious that he was looking for a giant "Death Pit" to dispose of the people that don't pass the "Death Panel" after failing the review of the "death panel" a trap door will open and the people will be be taken by conveyor belt to the "death pit"
..and remember using face recognition technology..(in use at many casinos) we know who you are and when the time comes you will face the Obama Death Panel, run by Bill Ayres, Bernadine Dorn and Louis Farakan.
..if I were you people I would dig a bunker under your house and go into hiding right now before it's too late. (a tin foil hat will protect you from rfid, so make yours now.)
Now I was educated in a socialist public school but if I add the number for very conservative to conservative I get 40% and if I add moderate and liberal and very liberal I get 56% so according to Gallup today my country is 40% conservative and 56% not.
I think the majority of Americans do not call them selves conservative.
God Bless America
Right back at ya,
Goddamn you're dumb. Where you've gone ahead and actually cited portions of HR 3200, you're interpretation has failed in spectacular fashion
"You mean, they're going to let me apply and I have to show them documentation of my income and what I currently own in assets? What!?!?! That has never happened!"
No, that is not what it means. All it means is they have to take whatever you attest to on the application as true. Where did you read that you have to provide documentation?
"You mean, someone's going to look at my application and tell me whether or not I qualify and, if my documents come back suspect after the routine application process, someone will call me and ask for further verification?"
No, that is not what it means. What that says is that if someone shows up with an ID and a SS card, they cannot be asked for proof that they are legally in the United States.
Nevermind the fact that both documents might have been purchased at the swap meet and the SS# might belong to someone else.
Now you're just making stuff up...
"Where did you read that you have to provide documentation?"
The portion of the bill you're citing is amending Social Security Act. You should read section 1860D of the Social Security Act to find out what validation is required to be deemed eligible.
"No, that is not what it means. What that says is that if someone shows up with an ID and a SS card, they cannot be asked for proof that they are legally in the United States."
So you think the word APPLICATION means someone showing up with an ID and SSN, and not an actual application process as cited in part i of the amendment? Section ii has no bearing on section i?
Read it again Poindexter -- I) an individual shall be permitted to apply on the basis of self certification of income and resources;
A person will fill out an application and tell us how much they make. Unfortunately for your point, this amendment doesn't supersede documentary requirements needed in the Social Securty Act.
(II) matters attested to in the application shall be subject to appropriate methods of verification without the need of the individual to provide additional documentation, except in extraordinary situations as determined by the Commissioner.''.
What you say in the application will be reviewed under the guidelines deemed appropriate in the act. We will not ask you for documentation, other than what you submitted, unless a problem arises.
After a while, living in the world of hyperbole makes you just look foolish.
jack,
Do you know the difference between the following two statements?
"No federal money may go towards affordability credits for undocumented aliens."
and
"No federal money provided in this bill may go towards programs, services, or health care for undocumented aliens."
Do you understand the difference between those two statements? Because you are acting like you don't. Beyond this, we will have to agree to disagree. There is a reason they chose this particular verbiage.
So again, what programs, services, or health care provided in HR 3200 will be afforded to illegal immigrants?
Just name one.
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jack,
We can do this all day. I am through trying to appease you. You know damn well that there is no verbiage in this bill denying illegals benefits, services, and health care.
They are only denied affordability credits. That's it.
And you know damn well that there is no verbiage in this bill giving illegals benefits, services, and health care.
The only verbiage in the bill giving a PERSON benefits, services, or health care is defined through affordability credits. That's it. Illegals are not allowed to get credits and there is no other way for a PERSON to get care or aid from directly from the government (the public option) inside this bill.
However, if the bill distributes benefits, services, or health care through grants or other programs, illegals are exempt because of federal restrictions. So for your plan to work, HR 3200 must distribute benefits, services, or health care to STATES, and then the STATES must give illegals care.
So you concede this bill does not provide any care for illegals? You still have yet to provide ONE EFFING SENTENCE from the bill to prove your argument.
jack,
And you have yet to show me this effing law you keep talking about.
And if that were true, than why did they insert the exemption of affordability credits when they could have omitted that sentence entirely, or broadened it to cover all benefits, programs, and health care that go with the bill.
It's hilarious how you keep trying to get me to concede when you have not demonstrated anything to sway me.
There is a reason they chose that verbiage in this bill!
One little sentence is all they had to include in this bill. Don't you think they left it out for a reason?
You go, CaptJack--outstanding.
I am glad that all the libs are saying that the illegals will get no healthcare because ObamaCare is giving them the big finger.
So are they going to die when they need treatment?
SgtRock,
Unless we want to go down this same road with immigration reform, illegals, and everyone else entering our country will still receive emergency care/ And illegals will always find means of obtaining care via fraud.
Hendo,
Are you daft? The effing law I keep talking about is HR 3200, which doesn't have a single benefit afforded to illegals.
You have no idea what affordability credits are, who can get them, or what they're used for, do you?
You have no idea how aide will be distributed through the government in the public plan, do you?
Do yourself a favor -- Google it.
"if the bill distributes benefits, services, or health care through grants or other programs, illegals are exempt because of federal restrictions."
How so?
You have still not reconciled the wording included in the bill.
Hendrickson = henderson I thought the Boss Jack didn't want you going on the net?
The co-op will morph into the public option, so you loose, twirp,
How so? Are you daft?
Federal law prohibits illegals from collecting any benefits.
You still haven't explained why the verbiage in the bill specifically exempts illegals from receiving federal money for affordability credits, but it does not specifically say that no federal money can go towards programs, benefits or health care for illegals.
If you cannot answer that in a way that makes sense, I am through having this conversation with you.
Without a proper, written, standard screening process, the same system we currently use for welfare and medicare, there are no measures in this bill to weed out illegals.
Unless this bill specifically prohibits states from using grant monies for any benefits, programs, services for illegals, and mandates a specific eligibility standard to verify citizenship, we will have illegals recieving benefits.
As you said before, illegals will always find their way around the system, so why wouldn't they mandate the same screening we currently use for other benefits to weed them out?
Right Wing Talk show host Rusty Humphries (heard on KDOX in Las Vegas) filed bankruptcy on his wife's substantial medical bills. He could not get medical insurance because of his obesity and his wife's chronic medical problems.
One of the reasons we have the $15 aspirin at the hospital, and high insurance rates is because people like him duck out on medical bills. The medical providers have to pass their loss on to either the government or other people with insurance or the ability to pay.
Now this raging hypocrit complains about "Obamacare."
henderson=hendrickson
My God... Maybe you do need a picture... And how many times have you threatened to be done with this conversation? Seriously, if you threaten, follow through.
The only money distributed to individuals in the bill is through credits. For example, if Hendo wants to get public health care through HR 3200, the only way he can do it is by applying and being accepted into the credits program, whatever form it takes.
Despite Hendo's belief, the established system uses the same application requirements as Social Security, and it is then found out that Hendo is an uneducated illegal. He gets kicked off the program because the bill won't let him get health care.
He then applies for a grant allowed in HR 3200, but since it is against federal law for illegals to get benefits from the feds, his application is rejected.
So once again, for your scheme to work, illegals would have to get health care fraudulently through the states or fraudulently through this program.
But as you can see, the bill does not give benefits to illegals, as you have alleged several times.
Oh, one more thing. The reason the verbiage is included in the bill, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States," is because giant simpletons like you would shout and scream that illegals will be included on the bill -- too ignorant to know that federal law currently excludes them.
mred is mad at me becauuse Rusty Humphries filed bankruptcy.
That makes perfect sense.
Nope, your explanation is dumb. It should exclude themn from benefitting from any money in the bill, not just affordability credits.
LOL
Individuals apply for grants? You definitely have not read the bill.
"Individuals apply for grants?"
Thank you! You finally get it! Individuals cannot apply for grants, and we're creating a system in which individuals can get care using... Say it with me... AFFORDABILITY CREDITS.
YOU FINALLY GOT IT!!! I'm thrilled for you. You now understand that the reason it says explicitly that illegals are exempt from affordability credits is because it's the only form of aid they would be eligible for as an individual.
Congrats, you've made me proud!
Hey Cap LIBBY (it's just CaptJack) Jack; (you're close... No need for the semi-colon, just a comma)
Free Health (lower case h) care, (you can end that statement with a question mark or exclamation if you're feeling frisky) No wall high enough to keep our friends south of boarder (close... BORDER. No A in there) out (you can end that with a period) Come on you l (I don't think a single L is a word) know I a (I think you're going for AM there. It's a tough one) right, (period would work there) you don't see real American s (I'm guessing you didn't mean for the space between the N and the S) pining for hand outs (the single word version works too). Not into we put this bunch in the White House (not into being coherent either?), now they want the whole country on Health (lower case H) care. These liberals do not believe in borders (good, you got it this time!) and plan on opening up the whole country to who ever (the single word version works too) wants in. They actually believe everyone is the same !!!! (crazy how that works, huh?) Thank God this health care is going down the Toilet (lower case t is fine) , no death panels (they weren't in the bill, but judging by this post, I see how you're too stupid to know the difference). Heck Hitler tried this (comma works here) look what happened (he killed 10,000,000 Jews through single payer health care?), (I think you're looking for a period here) Now the Dems. (the dems want to kill 10,000,000 Jews through HC reform?) Well God still loves America and he knows we are the best but have been infiltrated by people who want to end this great country, (no comma needed) who are not Americans.
So, I think it's a pretty poor first draft. You've got a lot of cleaning up to do and you don't want to look like an idiot... Be sure to let me look over your final draft before you post it... As I observed earlier, the conversation against reform is being driven by the dumbest segments of our population.
jack,
Why do you think the democrats overwhelmingly defeated the amendment that would have thoroughly screened every recipient, (whether applying for affordability credits or taking advantage of the state programs that recieve grant money) to make sure they are here legally. We have systems in place that are already working, and yet they flatly refused to include these standards in the bill. In other words, they don't want "teeth" legislated in the bill.
You can keep repeating yourself, but you know as well as I do that unless there are measures in place to prevent illegals from recieving benefits or taking advantage of programs, it must be written into the legislation.
One sentence in the bill is not a measure of prevention, and it does not cover all of the programs and services provided in the bill.
I know you're high on hopium, but you're wrong.
hey captjack...
you must always remember that you are dealing with children...
our poor poor terribly misguided republican friends are children...
they feel that if they get the last world in they win...
it's sad...
pathetic really...
i admire your dogged determination...
however...
it's like trying to reason with a 3 year old...
they have no interest in debate...
they will always claim victory...
just watch cluster fox for an hour...
in you don't go crazy...
you will see that pattern over and over and over...
bottom line...
we all no henderson is dumb...
very very dumb...
period...
end of story...
just ask him how you repeal a law...
hee hee hee...
and the funniest part of all...
is after you bust him...
he squirms like a little worm on a fish hook...
squirm henderson squirm!!!
mormanssuck, dude, I SINCERELY DOUBT that God is on "your side" or that he "favors" America over other countries because, what, you think we are "better" than them?
I'm no expert, but I would have to think you have some personal repenting to do if you want to be on "God's side." Good luck with that.
I WAS high on hopium thinking you made a simple A to B connection, but I was wrong...
So to recap, because this story is becoming more and more difficult to find, you've made three awesome allegations on this story:
First, you allege your bank account will be compromised in this legislation, but you were thoroughly shut down after a simple explanation and proven wrong.
Second, you allege there are no documentary requirements needed to apply, but you were thoroughly shut down and proven wrong.
And third, you allege illegals will be included in this legislation, but after some 30 posts on the subject still fail to provide anything other than anecdotal evidence on the matter -- no citations from the bill and no actual evidence contradicting the portion of the bill explicitly banning illegals from aid.
I think you'll concede that debating isn't your strong point. Don't cry, it's been fun.
jack,
you keep telling yourself that you've proved something here so you can sleep at night.
Wow...ObamaCare will bar illegals from getting healthcare.
I vote for that.
Hey Cap Jack (just CaptJack) Of (of what? of all trades? Thanks!)...
Thanks for the engleash (close... capital E and then nglish) lesson. Just because I don't have a college degree (obviously) doesn't mean i (capital I) am stupid (you're right, it's isn't the lack of a degree that makes you stupid, it's your poor functioning brain). That whats ('s) wrong with you liberals (wishing for an educated public is a bad thing?), you think you are better then everyone else because of a little college (I don't think I'm better than you), but no (add a T here) street smart (hahaha). I know this because anyone with a brain (so you're excluded?) can see the government is tring (you're missing a Y in there) to go COMMMIE and jerks like you are enabling them (since you can't be trusted to write a coherent sentence, why can you be trusted to form a coherent opinion on policy?).
Do any of you radical, right-wing, neo-con, nutcases EVER listen to yourselves or actually think objectively before you speak or write, or even go back and read what you've written?
Do any of you realize that the professional trash talkers are making a fortune out of your lack of education, naivete, gullibility and stupidity?
Elections have consequences when your side wins and when your side loses!
The stupidity revealed by the Healthcare Reform "Town Halls" demonstrates two major problems: 1.) How terribly we've failed at education, and 2.) How blatantly obvious we desperately need to have a comprehensive component for Mental Healthcare TOO!
I think it's interesting that people are blasting The Las Vegas Sun as being biased, but when Ms. Harris spouts her stuff from the opposite end it's her right to free speech. Let's get real. The event wasn't a discussion on the issue of health care, it was a "Bash Obama and Reid" event and the Sun called them on it.
I personally believe it's the talk radio people that are the un-Americans. I have listened the their stand and it's a little frightening. The want their guns because they don't trust the military that they constantly suck up to. This goes back long before President Obama. They don't think the government is able to handle large programs, like health care or education, but seem to be Ok with out-of-control military spending and the things they want from the government.
I believe this group does NOT represent the GOP as a whole. The Republicans that I know and respect (full disclosure, I am a Democrat), are caring, compassionate and selfless. They are good people. The small, fringe group that Ms. Harris represents seem to be selfish, small-minded and easily lead by fear. They believe "I got mine, get away from my stuff" and any one who disagrees is a "damn commie socialist". They would rather see the United States of America fall then see it succeed at the hand of President Obama. If this is all that AM radio is good for anymore, I think, sadly, it may be time for AM radio to go away.
And most important of all, Ms. Harris: I am an American.