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PHOTO ILLUSTRATIONS BY CHRIS MORRIS / LAS VEGAS SUN
Thursday, Oct. 23, 2008 | 2 a.m.
The Republican National Committee has spent more than $150,000 on clothes and accessories for vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family.
Vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, at a campaign stop on Tuesday in Henderson.
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What would that get you in Las Vegas?
For $150,000, you could buy a single-family house and still have $35,000 left over to buy clothes to fill the closets.
They skipped the house.
From the day she was selected as John McCain’s running mate until Election Day, the Palins are being outfitted to the tune of $2,200 per day.
At that rate, Sarah and Todd Palin could get a concierge suite at the Palazzo — and one for each of their five children.
Or she could have bought 25,000 six packs and handed them over to various Joes.
Then again, if you have donated money to the Republican National Committee, you might want to think about this: For $150,000, Las Vegas businessman Joe Roach’s call center, Advanced Integrated Communications, could make 1,000 hours of calls per day (his average during a campaign), at his top wage of $10 per hour, for the last 15 days of the McCain-Palin campaign. In other words, he could have started two days ago.
(Roach has a contract to place calls across the country on behalf of the Republican ticket, but the cash-strapped campaign has delayed for weeks and has yet to trigger the calls, he says in the accompanying Sun story.)
Instead, the Republican National Committee took the Palins shopping, at Saks Fifth Avenue, Barneys and Bloomingdale’s. At the Minneapolis Neiman Marcus alone, the Republican National Committee dropped $75,062.63.
What kind of clothes can you get for that kind of money?
To find out, I went to the Neiman Marcus store at the Fashion Show mall.
Suspicious store employees started following me around.
(No wonder. I buy my clothes at places that also sell dog food in bulk.)
So that someone could tell me how many pieces go into a professional woman’s outfit, I asked my wife to browse with me. She found blouses for $500, jackets for $1,000, skirts for $300, shoes for $400 and dresses for $500 and up. All told, she figured that if she spared no expense, she could come up with a week’s worth of vice-presidential-quality outfits for $10,000. At that rate, if she bought 35 outfits, she still could not have spent as much as the Palins did in one day at the store.
This called for an expert.
Jenna Doughton is a personal shopper. Could any of her clients spend that much on clothes?
Oh yes, she said. She has several clients who spend more than $100,000 a year on clothes.
Right, but for two months’ worth of clothes?
“I have to think about that for a second,” Doughton said.
Yes, probably, but it would help if you added a $30,000 Hermes Birkin bag or two. Maybe some custom clothes from Armani.
Could she guess what Palin was wearing?
“No,” Doughton said. “Her clothes are so androgynous that they’re not recognizable.” That’s why, she said, it’s so surprising that the clothing cost so much.
“I’m just sad that she didn’t contact me,” Doughton said. “I could have done it for a fraction of the price and made her look a hundred times better.”
After the news of the wardrobe broke Wednesday, the McCain-Palin campaign said the clothes will be donated to charity after the election.
To think that people will actually let something like this impact their decision. I guess I can understand why the residents need Hollywood types to make their decisions for them as well.
Your largest state employer thrive off the excess and vanity of others and here you, ready to vilify!
Wait until the gravy train ends! HA, you think it is bad. You can only raise taxes so much, before the working few, throw in the towel or look for more fertile lands.
Good luck, as you are certainly going to need it.
But they have to pretty her up, it's all she's got. Oh, and make sure you were a really big flag right below your pretty face so people will know you are one of the "real Americans".
This also proves once again that the GOP is all about appearances. The real GOP is long gone.
What amazes me is that McCain sponsored a bill that prevents his campaign from buying the clothes for nominees. Oh, well, I guess he can get around any law that he c0-authored and sponsored.
Yetis: the point is that it won't (or shouldn't) impact someone's decision, but it exhibits the complete hypocrisy of a campaign that went to great lengths to dismiss Obama as a celebrity...
While the McCain campaign apparently hired Paris Hilton's stylist to attend to Sarah Palin.
http://daddytypes.com/2008/10/22/whoa_is...
So yes, it's absurd that this woman, sporting an $18,000 a week fashion allowance, has the gall to question the patriotism of people who do not live in rural areas.
Really? All the problems facing America right now and THIS is what you choose to write about? You insult your readers with tripe like this. Your newspaper is a joke.
Give me a break. Obama has spent millions on his campaign after he reniged on his agreement with McCain to take public funds only. Focusing on her clothing cost is so petty and insignificant, especially since they will be donated to charity after the campaign. All the money Obama spent is already flushed down the commode.
150,000 and she still looks like trailer trash...
Well how much has the 650 million dollar man spent no one is commenting on that, and by the way the 150k is money better spent then what Biden did with the Botox. (Does his forehead ever move????)
600+ million for Obama. <90 million for McCain. And, still a "tie", with McCain closing.
Liberalism / social communism is a very shallow way to think.
I was shocked when I heard about this woman's clothes tab. Her clothes look off the clearance rack at Ross, not Saks and Neiman.
I thought her "schtick" was that she's like "one of us", yannow? Folksy and middle class, sitting around the kitchen table with Todd worried how they are going afford to send their kids to college (one's in the military for being a punk, the other one is knocked up so that takes care of those 2).
I don't know many people like me who wear $150,000 of clothes in 2 months, or $600 eyeglass frames, or who have a seaplane parked in a lake in their backyard. Or who charge their State's taxpayers for their kids to tag along with her on the campaign.
I really wouldn't care about what this woman says or does or wears if it wasn't for the hypocrisy of "Gee wiz, I'm just a hockey mom just like all of you" while wearing a minimum wage worker's annual earnings worth of clothes.
No wonder why RNC and the McCain/Palin camp are so disparate to solicit donations from a foreigner.
Just because we can see Russia from Alaska, it does not mean that it is part of the United States.
"McCain Solicits Russian U.N. Ambassador"
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-tra...
I am much more worried about Obama paying millions to ACORN to take an election.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles...
Hitler had his "Brownshirts", and......
"...social communism is a very shallow way to think"
Uh oh! Looks like NVMakz found out that McCain is the real socialist. Gotta come up with a new scary phrase for Obama now.
Tell us all, what in the .... does "social communism" mean? In your head anyway. And what is the difference between "social communism" and good old fashioned communism.
Neiman1,
Lets take a leap of faith and say Obama was involved in the illegal act of REGISTERING fake people to vote. Now, how many of those fake registered voters will actually cast a ballot?
ZERO.
ACORN may have pulled some shady moves to get dead/fake people signed up to vote, but that has no bearing on the election b/c those fake/dead people would never actually cast a ballot.
So, please, keep trying!!
It's unbelievable how people can try to rationalize this expenditure.
It's pretty a microcosm of everything that is wrong with picking Palin in the first place
What, no wiki page today, NVMakz? LOL!
But I see you're already invoking Godwin's Law! LOLOL! Godwin's law IS the law of the failed argument, after all!
Still can't point out a single ACORN employee/volunteer arrested or prosecuted this year? I keep waiting for your response on that one, I see you'd rather whine about ACORN than prove your "tens of thousands" of ACORN violations accusation.
John, don't waste your breath. NVMakz has proven, beyond a doubt, that he couldn't tell you the difference between Communism, Socialism, Totalitarianism, etc. He has no idea. When he disagrees with someone, he just randomly chooses one (or, in Obama's case, ALL) of the three and, in a Bachmann-like fit of McCarthyesque petty rage, points and starts calling names.
Explained not so long ago. You were around for the beatdown, though you wisely avoided it.
Prove McCain's a "socialist"?? And, spare yourself the embarrassment of pimping delusions for McCain's vote for the asset-purchase plan / "bailout".
Obama and America's enemies LOVE you and your efforts for social communism, "useful idiot"!
Obama is advancing social communism, and "johne" goose-steps to its master's delight. Shame on you!!
And he likes trying to equate liberalism with communism, socialism, and fascism. It's just too funny to hear. It's like a five year old who uses the f word, but really doesn't know what it means. Still enlighten us with a real definition please.
"What, no wiki page today" Shoot the messenger for Obama, check!
" I see you'd rather whine about ACORN than prove your "tens of thousands" of ACORN violations accusation."
"that one Republican equals tens of thousands of ACORN types corroding election laws." - is what i said "johne", keep on lying, it's what social communists do better than anyone.
Read what your ACORN is up to now.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles...
Bachmann is a truth teller in a tsunami of lies. McCarthy was correct historically as verified by the KGB, but liberal demonizations live on forever - by the brainwashed.
Try watching the interview yourself - it'll HAVE TO add to your layers of denial.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/...
Bachmann trashed Matthews with truth, with the result is mis-quoted MB - with parroting from the anti-Americans ever since. Bachmann is simply the latest to be lied about from the trash-truth social communists.
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"Bachmann-like fit of McCarthyesque petty rage, points and starts calling names."
Flash your delusions some more. Bachmann was composed and professional in the face of the constantly-interrupting liberal-pimp, Matthews - and now the liars-of-the-left pile on.
The wiki-page was and is more accurate than what you retort with.
Finally, running away from that wiki-page's information tells much more about you than Matthews lib-pimp broadcasts say about Bachmann.
"And he likes trying to equate liberalism with communism, socialism, and fascism. It's just too funny to hear. It's like a five year old who uses the f word, but really doesn't know what it means. Still enlighten us with a real definition please."
Watch the denial-addiction of the arguMENTALly buried.
Funny, isn't it?
"that one Republican equals tens of thousands of ACORN types corroding election laws." - is what i said "johne", keep on lying, it's what social communists do better than anyone."
That Makz-point at 9:31 was to the Obamacon, "99", not to "johne". Their lib-delusioning all reads the same, thus the honest error.
neiman1, You fail to mention the guy arrested for fraudulently filling out voter cards in California two days ago and this is not his first arrest for this charge. Did you miss the report on the wealthy construction executive in western Arizona who had groups of organizers he was paying $5 to fill out fraudulent voter registrations? Today there are investigations of voter machines malfunctioning in Republicans favor in West Viriginia.
If Obama had spent that kind of money on clothes for nit wit who after three times being asked what the vice-president does and she still does not know you would be all up in arms. Palin is the governor who stops wasteful spending while taking her brats on trips they were not invited to at tax payer expense.Found guilty of abuse of power once and Friday she will get her second conviction. She is such a hypocrite.Think before you make a fool of yourself.
"Prove McCain's a "socialist"??"
You don't watch The Daily Show, do you?
BTW, Goose Stepping is a Nazi trick. Please, please, please say that Obama's a Nazi!!! I can't wait to hear it from you! It's so much more effective than "social communist".
As said johne, he won't define that which he constantly uses, and he calls libs the run away, in denial people. Keep on running from the argument. It's laughable.
MvMakz, There you go insulting people when you ignore the voter fraud going on in California, Arizona and West Virginia. Makkie your such a smart guy with such a great personality. I'll bet your a real hero to all of your many admirers. Just what the world needs another ill informed want to be tough guy who insults people on the internet.In public you are sniveling bug .
To me, your article points out that Palin is just an average hockey mom and did not possess the wardrobe needed to go on the campaign trail. BTW, has anyone researched the cost of Obama's wardrobe? At $1,500 per suit it must be hefty. What about Michelle's--she doesn't shop at K-Mart or Target for those clothes either, now does she? And the cost of Obama's acceptance speech with its faux Greek columns must've cost a pretty penny. At $400 for lobster and caviar snacks and suites at the Waldorf Astoria, his speaking engagements must set the Dems back quite a few dollars also.
Both sides can get petty about these things, but since the Dems and Obama keep insisting they want to stick to the issues rather than discuss 'fluff' I find it odd to see that 'fluff' is all you could find to discuss on your front page.
Let's take ALL THAT TEXT and boil it down to it's essential point: NVMakz still can't prove his allegations against ACORN. Not a single shred of evidence that "tens of thousands" of ACORN employees violated the law.
It's the failed 'ACORN Boogeyman!' campaign tactic that continues to blow up in republicans' face.
Instead of backing up his argument with facts, he relies on the laziness of Godwin's law by shrieking about how Obama's apparently a Nazi. Gulp! Invoking Godwin's law is basically a huge neon sign, pointing at your argument, flashing "FALSE! FALSE! FALSE!" LOL!
Then, he waxes poetic about Michelle Bachmann's McCarthyesque tirade on Hardball, and how she said the "truth," even though Bachmann HERSELF is running away from her own words. LOL! She's so proud she cried foul! DUH! The RNCC pulled advertising for Bachmann and Dems answered with a million-dollar fundraising drive for her opponent. Now she's weepy and apologetic and oh-isn't-the-liberal-media-so-MEAN!!!!!!! HAHAHA!
NVMakz runs away from the socialism vs. communism vs. fascism question BECAUSE HE HAS NO IDEA what separates those ideologies. They're one and the same to NVMakz, and just tools he uses to cast his opponents as anti-American... it's the laziest argument style I've ever seen, and one that's failing this very day against Obama.
Yup, a failed argument that NVMakz clings to as his only hope.
He's left with sourcing wiki pages and editorials as "proof" of his arguments. (I mean, he already writes "mq" (aka, my quote) as PROOF of his own arguments!) Poor guy doesn't understand why we all find that hilarious.
redferret, You and your thug pal are laughable. Who designated you the post cop? After reading your posts I have not read any thing that resembles intelligence. You just act like a juvenie gang banger who needs constant reinforcement or someone may expose you for what you are, a jelly fish.
Well, considering the republicans were slamming Edwards for his haircuts, bought with campaign money, this is fair game. This lady says she's one of us and is a reformer. This isn't reform, it's more of the same. Sad. In any case, Obama bought his suits with his own money, just like McCain with his $500 loafers. What they do with their own money is their own business. That she used RNC money is what raises eyebrows. It wouldn't be such a deal if they announced, "We're buying her a nice wardrobe and then we'll donate to charity." But they only announced that after they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
"What about Michelle's--she doesn't shop at K-Mart or Target for those clothes either, now does she?"
Actually, she shops at the GAP and H&M.
http://www.thebudgetfashionista.com/arch...
The dress she's wearing in that photo? $34.95.
Wow, homer, like that wasn't totally left field. I don't remember needing any help here. When it comes it's welcomed, but I don't need it thank you. As for your litany of ad hominem attacks, I have no idea where you're coming from.
"You don't watch The Daily Show, do you?"
Once a month tops. I had, but Stewart, like Bill Maher, simply isn't entertaining or relevant to the TRUTH of our lives today.
I understand many liberals get their news from there. THAT, like your post here, says too much about where Obamacon truths come from today.
I know the clip from EIGHT YEARS AGO re: McCain.
Get me a clip of McCain offering as a base-policy plank- how he would "spread the wealth around", and I'll not consider you as much of a goose-stepping nit-picking, Obamacon object of pity.
Did not Mr. Hair Club for Men Biden just recently get some boxtox treatment for his face?
ksand99, Pay no attention to my girlfriend Maxie or his ferret.They are here to cause trouble, they don't have any substance to their supposed points. They are mimicking their hero Rush the drug addict. This is how Republicans behave when they are losing, they become ugly and lie. They are good students of Atwater and Rove. I doubt they are old enough to know who Atwater is. The point is they really talk a lot of trash and lies because like McCain/Palin thats all they have now.Ignore them they will go away when the can't get a reaction. They remind you of the piss ant trouble makers in school that no one could stand.
jfnance32, I knew you would show your stupidity. How can anyone talk about anyone elses personal appearance when your role model is McCain? You would think that once they got his wife treatment for her drug addiction they could have fixed his face and got him some new white teeth. He is just to ugly to be President. There is not currency attractive enough to compliment his face. I knew you would show up with your stupid comments to try and impress your gang of nit wits.
Maxxie Take your meds and go lay down you are done for the day.We have had enough of your foolishness.
Homer, are you blind, stupid, or something else. If you actually have read my posts I'm not a republican. If you've read other people's responses to my posts, they also know I'm not a republican. Learn to read buddy before you try and slam people. From where I'm standing you and me are on exactly the same page. So I have no idea where your sudden anger comes from but look at my arguments first before you act tough and trash talk about someone through a keyboard tough guy.
And once again Makz runs from an argument, uses ad hominem attacks and acts likes he's the big one. You seriously have nothing. And in any case I don't need to write a lot down if someone is just using ad hominem attacks against me. Seriously, what is communism, socialism, and fascism. You still fail to answer that and the longer you run from it, the worse it looks for you.
Who is in denial?
"Sarah Palin dragging down Republican ticket: polls"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081023/ts_...
"Let's take ALL THAT TEXT and boil it down to it's essential point"
"99" gets in line with the other Obamunists to spread the dis-information of creeping social communism as the ghost of Alinsky rises to corrode we all.
The Obamunist "99" (add "ferret" in there too) = shoot the messenger first, deny all, then spin-till-you're-dizzy.
America's enemies LOVE you. Alinsky LOVES you!
Keep typing, "fellow traveler"!
"I'm used to asking the same question"
Vapidity, meet "ferret".
""99" gets in line with the other Obamunists to spread the dis-information of creeping social communism as the ghost of Alinsky rises to corrode we all."
Oh, I'm finally able to do the math, NVMakz.
Apparently, you define "social communism" as "proving NVMakz wrong."
In that case? Onward, comrade!
Strangelove: Palin's poll plunge? Proof that Americans aren't as stupid as NVMakz seems to think they are.
"Maxxie Take your meds and go lay down you are done for the day.We have had enough of your foolishness."
Thanks for the surrender - speaking for all the Obamacons as well. I'll take it!
"had enough" says it all for many in-denial Obamacons here.
Hey ksand, apparently we are all made of iron, because we are constantly being corroded (rusting?) by mysterious air-bourne forces. Or is this mysterious and nebulous stuff acid in the air?
And Makz, keep on throwing names around, you still haven't answered the questions posed to you.
And so you understand cyberstalking I pulled this from wikipedia. Considering this isn't political, I think it's a safe page to use:
A number of key factors have been identified:
-False accusations. Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them. They post false information about them on websites. They may set up their own websites, blogs or user pages for this purpose. They post allegations about the victim to newsgroups, chat rooms or other sites that allow public contributions, such as Wikipedia or Amazon.com.[4]
-Attempts to gather information about the victim. Cyberstalkers may approach their victim's friends, family and work colleagues to obtain personal information. They may advertise for information on the Internet, or hire a private detective. They often will monitor the victim's online activities and attempt to trace their IP address in an effort to gather more information about their victims. [5]
-Encouraging others to harass the victim. Many cyberstalkers try to involve third parties in the harassment. They may claim the victim has harmed the stalker or his/her family in some way, or may post the victim's name and telephone number in order to encourage others to join the pursuit.
-False victimization. The cyberstalker will claim that the victim is harassing him/her. Bocij writes that this phenomenon has been noted in a number of well-known cases.
Attacks on data and equipment. They may try to damage the victim's computer by sending viruses.
Ordering goods and services. They order items or subscribe to magazines in the victim's name. These often involve subscriptions to pornography or ordering sex toys then having them delivered to the victim's workplace.
-Arranging to meet. Young people face a particularly high risk of having cyberstalkers try to set up meetings between them.[6]
Looks like you actually fit a couple of those. Look before you leap. Or am I somehow causing you distress?
Looks like you actually fit a couple of those.
Really? Explain!
Which ones are you trying to deflect the cyberstalking you practice. I can negate this all by changing to "Cyberwhiner", or "Cyberpest", or Cyberobsessional" - or any other name I name for it, but this is way under your skin now. Dance for me again...
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Or am I somehow causing you distress?
Thanks for the laugh. The shallowness of "being used to asking the same question" is no threat to me or non-Obamacons. The distress is yours - being buried in the same loop of "the same question", lol...
Nope just shows you totally think that words can say anything you want them to. I was particularly interested in the making false complaints about victimization.
And once again you show that all you have is name calling to fall back on. As a matter of fact I don't think a single one of your posts doesn't contain a personal attack against other posters on this site.
And keep running from those definitions. Just shows you don't understand what you are talking about.
And meanwhile you can't define how I cyberstalk you considering this is a public site where you often make horribly erronious statements. If you don't like the idea of people rebutting you stop logging on to the site. Simple as that, or you can fall back on that false victimization thing you seem to be good at.
The news media sure wants Obama elected. So they write up another attack story on Palin. I'm sure everyday until Nov. 4 they will attack, smear, destroy to make sure Obama is elected.
Here are some facts about Gov. Palin that the news media won't report.
Gov. Palin has the highest approval rating of all Governors, 2007 its 89%, 2008 its 82%.
She is the chief executive of a state with 24,400 state employees, 35,500 local government employees, and 3,800 tribal government employees.
She is the only person running with executive experience.
Alaska's revenues doubled to $10 billion in 2008.
She has fought corruption in both political parties.
She defeated republican governor Murkowski in the primary and former democratic governor Tony Knowles in the general election.
Her expenses as Governor are 80% less than former Gov. Murkowski.
Her first legislative action was bipartisan ethics reform signed into law July 2007.
She implemented the Senior Benefits Program to support low-income older Alaskans.
She created Alaska's Petroleum Systems Integrity Office to oversee and maintain oil and gas equipment, facilities and infrastructure.
She created a Climate Change Sub-Cabinet to prepare a climate change strategy for Alaska.
Because of her leadership work has begun on a $40 billion natural gas pipeline. It's the largest private sector infrastructure project in North American history.
She fought the oil company executives and got them to drill on their leases.
She returned the state gasoline taxes back to the people. They receive a check every year.
She has reduced state spending by $240 million in 2007 and by $290 million in 2008.
She has reduced Alaska's ear marks from 66 to 31.
She eliminated many excessive fees and licenses on small businesses.
She eliminated personal property taxes.
She has a courageous can do spirit and has accomplished a lot.
Has your Governor returned state gasoline taxes back to you?
Has your Governor lowered property taxes?
Has your Governor eliminated excessive fees on small businesses?
Has your Governor reduced state spending every year he/she has been in office?
Is your Governor's expenses 80% lower than his/her predecessor?
Has your Governor been as viciously attacked by the news media and by left wing bloggers as has Palin?
Here is what Obama will give us after he is elected. A one to two year recession.
Chief Executive, Issue Date: September/October 2008, Posted On: 10/8/2008
Debate Over, By ED Kopko
It is clear job-creating Business leaders chose McCain over Obama largely because his policies are seen as pro-growth, whereas Obama's policies are viewed as redistributive and anti-growth.
http://www.chiefexecutive.net/ME2/dirmod...
For some months during this Presidential election year, Chief Executive has conducted specialized polling of CEOs' attitudes on issues affecting national policy and the economy. In CE's most recent poll in September, 751 respondents, more than double the usual number of business leaders, made their voices heard on their Presidential choice.
By a four-to-one margin CEOs support Senator John McCain over his rival, Senator Barack Obama. More to the point, a thundering 74 percent majority say they fear the consequences of an Obama presidency, compared to only 19 percent who fear a McCain presidency.
Obama's redistributive tax plan, higher corporate tax rates, and anti-growth business policies will prolong our recession by one to two years.
1. Redistributive taxes decrease business expansion and new business startups. These taxes are a disincentive for people to assume risk and become entrepreneurs.
2. Higher business taxes provide an incentive for corporations, that can leave the U.S., to relocate offshore. Those that cannot relocate will pass higher operating costs onto consumers. Those that cannot relocate or pass along higher costs will reduce operating costs by reducing employees to operate leaner.
"And keep running from those definitions"
The definitions we are discussing are now YOURS, about how you are trying to avoid the truth of you being a cyberstalker. Dropping your own faux attack more quickly than normal, are you?
Feeling lost - being out of your comfort zone of "being used to asking the same question", I'll add = to an cyberobsessional-state of bandwidthwasteinserviceofsocialcommunistslikeobama-level meltdown.
Cyberpest, they name is "ferret".
Your preSENSE is cybershallow and cyberignoRANT - striving to be cyberhollow. Look THOSE up, but only if it aligns with "being used to asking the same question" comfort zone.
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As truthplease's comments add to the debate - look at how scared business owners are of "Obamunomics" and its economic, financial and societal costs.
The stupid and socially communist LOVE the "Obamunism" and perform as useful idiots for the Ghosts of Alinsky.
Saul's gotta be lovin' you Obamacons. A failure in life - he's looking UP from hell to see his social communist legacy attempting to be revived.
Again, and again and again, you won't even define the words you use, and you try to tar me as a cyberstalker, when you keep answering my posts with attacks. Seriously, one could make the point that you are the cyberstalker by constantly attacking me and trying to play the victim.
so keep running scared and keep acting like you're a victim. If it bothers you so much, have me removed. Seriously, SUN GODS I invoke you to remove me if have hath offended thee and thine laws against stalking in cyberspace! Or if this really bothers you so much, stop logging on. Or stop responding to my posts, especially with your own little attacks.
>Has your Governor returned state gasoline taxes back to you?
>Has your Governor lowered property taxes?
>Has your Governor eliminated excessive fees on small businesses?
>Has your Governor reduced state spending every year he/she has been in office?
>Is your Governor's expenses 80% lower than his/her predecessor?
No, our Luv Guv is too busy text-messaging to his female friend.
>Has your Governor been as viciously attacked by the news media and by left wing bloggers as has Palin?
Yes, he has. Just Google "Chrissy Mazzeo," "Kathy Karrasch" & "Leslie Durant."
Who is paying for Obama's trip to see his sick grandmother?
Is his wife and kids going?
Who is paying for them?
Thanks, TruthPlease, you bring up the fundamental flaw in McCain/Palin's argument.
You have CaribouBarbie on the stump, assailing Obama's "socialist" policies. Obama's pledged to reduce the tax credits for big oil in favor of a tax break to the middle and lower class. That, to Palin, is socialist.
And then you have Palin's record... where she increased taxes on the oil companies in Alaska and then used that money to cut checks... to every man woman and child in Alaska... with those funds. Essentially, she took from the rich and redistributed it.
You should ask Makz and Nance and all the Neocons who come to the Sun and decry Obama's "socialist" policies who they're voting for...
They're voting for Palin. They don't realize that they're voting for someone with a proven track record of socialism. It's projection at it's finest!
Not to mention McCain's plan to nationalize foreclosed homes, or McCain's support of the nationalization of the banking industry, etc, etc.
It's a fundamental truth of the race: take a look at the rhetoric being repeated by the neocons and what you'll find, if you take even a cursory look at the facts, is that McCain/Palin is guilty of WORSE offenses. Domestic terrorist? G. Gordon Liddy. Tax and spender? Sarah Palin.
It's the neocon cognitive dissonance that's driving them insane.
"Or stop responding to my posts, especially with your own little attacks."
Each day we meet here, you fall in behind wherever I post - 99% of the time, just like your board mirror, "the bs". When we end your whipping for the day, you meekly assume your position "in last place".
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"try to tar me (ferret) as a cyberstalker"
I've tarred you with much more than that - cybersheep. YOU said some of those definitions fit me = I ask you which ones of YOURS == and you're runnin' hard in-denial again. Cybercoward!
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"If it bothers you so much, have me removed."
I have never even hit "suggest removal" against anyone here - as I believe in not stifling free speech. My understanding is that Alinsky-usefulidiots here hammer it on me all the time. An attack on free speech rooted in social communism. That button should be removed as it is a direct vehicle of promoting Alinskyesque suppression of free speech in this forum. Asking participants of any place speech is expressed TO RAT OUT EACH OTHER is a hallmark of not only social communism - but hard-core communism itself.
Since your "asking the same question" over and over is impotently withering away; and false "definitions" of cyberstalker you say describe me fall flat; and just bloviating as arguing "the same question" over and over doesn't wash for anyone but you == what do you think you are accomplishing?
Cyberpest!
ps: The "SUN GODS" well know they can ban me whenever they want to! They have known this for a very long time.
I wonder sometimes if the SUN GODS like me here because I whip-up the night-of-the-living-dead "left" to come here and provide greater volume and argumentative cyberflamethrowing. THAT alone would make me much more valuable here than you have ever approached being.
The "Road Less Traveled", you know!
I've never been on any political message board where that has had a "suggest removal" button before, including several major ones.
SUN GODS! BAN ME if you feel I am not playing a valuable role here, playing my part......
Go ahead!
President Hussien....the 1st Socialist President of the USA.
R-Linn - this is something that DOES need to be written about and shared with the public - after all don't you think that the people who so generously donate to their campaign have a right to know how their donations are being squandered - and don't you think people who are considering voting for them have the right to see how these candidates absolutely DO NOT RELATE to our issues - if they did how could they, in good conscious squander the money like that?
Continuing the thought:
From a New Yorker piece on Alaska, with this brilliant quote:
"Alaska was conceding too much, and chipping away at our sovereignty. And Alaska--we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we SHARE IN THE WEALTH when the development of these resources occurs. Our state constitution--it lays it out for me, how I'm to conduct business with resource development here as the state C.E.O. It's to maximize benefits for Alaskans, not an individual company, not some multinational somewhere, but for Alaskans."
Let's see, collective ownership of an industry or resources, executive (dictatorial) power over revenue allocation, and sharing the wealth?
Who said that? Who's in charge of that system?
Kim Jong-Il?
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
Fidel Castro?
Nope, Sarah Palin.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/...
Makz, we'd never ask to ban you.
Your hysteria is a source of constant bemusement.
I mean, crying out to the "Sun gods?"
The very real chance of an Obama presidency has you completely off your rocker.
We'd never ask to ban him because his hatred and vileness towards Obama is what is driving independant voters away from McCain and into Obama's camp.
PLEASE, keep up the hate filled talk, denial of issues and continued reiteration of negative comments, b/c that has proven AS A FACT to motivate the independant vote against your side--just like the opposite sides hatred worked against Kerry in 2004....
thanks!!
Actually I originally cried out to the Sun Gods for them to ban me if they found I was cyberstalking Makz. Damn he'll say anything, because he thinks words can mean anything.
Uh, SUN GODS? LOLOL! And he's stammering on about being stalked because people are arguing with him?
LOLOL, the Obama Presidency is going to send NVMakz over the edge!
Going to?
I think it happened awhile back...
Yeah, I even tried to show him what is considered stalking, and said it almost fits him. I got the typical reaction...
"Once a month tops. I had, but Stewart, like Bill Maher, simply isn't entertaining or relevant to the TRUTH of our lives today."
A stunning assessment. I don't know many people who would agree with you. My mother maybe, but she's 85 and longs for Lawrence Welk.
My guess is that you simply don't like what they say. Understandable. The truth has not been easy on you righties lately.
Regarding calling me an Obamacon goose stepper. I would call the Third Reich anything but liberal. That kind of monstrous behavior falls in your camp buddy boy.
Since you've identified yourself as one of the top 1 or 2% super duper people in this country, I'm looking forward to seeing your taxes increased to help the people you hate so much.
It's also amazing to me that someone as lucky as you supposedly are would fight against giving anything back. Karma will reward justly for your hateful selfishness.
"Who is paying for Obama's trip to see his sick grandmother?"
This one gets my vote for the most hateful and disgusting comment of the day.
McCain, RNC had about $84 million as of Oct. 15
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/campaign_mone...
"But McCain's Oct. 1-15 filing showed that the campaign paid $22,800 to Palin's traveling stylist, Amy Strozzi, an acclaimed celebrity makeup artist. In contrast, McCain's foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, was paid $12,500, the report showed."
You see the McCcain/Palin administration priorities right there.
$7,575, Saks Fifth Avenue, St. Louis, Sept. 10;
$789, Barneys New York, Sept. 10;
$5,102, Bloomingdale's New York, Sept. 10;
$75,062, Neiman Marcus, Minneapolis, Sept. 10;
$4,902, Atelier, Sept. 10;
$41,850, Saks Fifth Avenue, New York, Sept. 10;
$4,396, Macy's, Minneapolis, Sept. 10;
$4,537, Macy's, Minneapolis, Sept. 22;
$512.92, Macy's, Minneapolis, Sept. 25;
$133, Gap, Minneapolis, Sept. 25, and
$350, Lord & Taylor, Sept. 25.
Give Randy Scheunemann a raise.
"$7,575, Saks Fifth Avenue, St. Louis, Sept. 10;
$789, Barneys New York, Sept. 10;
$5,102, Bloomingdale's New York, Sept. 10;
$75,062, Neiman Marcus, Minneapolis, Sept. 10;
$4,902, Atelier, Sept. 10;
$41,850, Saks Fifth Avenue, New York, Sept. 10;
$4,396, Macy's, Minneapolis, Sept. 10;
$4,537, Macy's, Minneapolis, Sept. 22;
$512.92, Macy's, Minneapolis, Sept. 25;
$133, Gap, Minneapolis, Sept. 25, and
$350, Lord & Taylor, Sept. 25."
And she's still a pig.
"A stunning assessment. ..... Karma will reward justly for your hateful selfishness."
Just had to say bravo & thank you for that post, johnevegas. I could not agree more.
"A stunning assessment. I don't know many people who would agree with you. My mother maybe, but she's 85 and longs for Lawrence Welk."
TRUTH does stun liberals. To find some means you get to Obama's NV offices and get a shot. Both hate-choked liberals are well paid and loved by the liberals to slander, lie. Mainly, liberals sit in front of it no different than the little girl in "Poltergeist". Rabid socialists; "THEY'RE HEEERREEEEE...........
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"My guess is that you simply don't like what they say. Understandable. The truth has not been easy on you righties lately."
DUHH?? Not very bright, are you? Lies and spin ARE "truth" to the LSD. Like warm blood to the vampire, yes it is!
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"Regarding calling me an Obamacon goose stepper. I would call the Third Reich anything but liberal. That kind of monstrous behavior falls in your camp buddy boy."
Oh, I think you really don't know your political science, context or history very well. All-powerful central government , A cult-of-personality leader (whose graphic artist copies Communist / Nazi examples for BO), A single - liberal - angry - political party goose-stepping to the "change" they promise - goons attacking physically their opponents (attacking (R) campaign offices, property , attacking girls at ATMs and carving a "B" on their faces after seeing a Mccain sticker) the politics of destruction, lies and spin replace serving "The People" = the modern-day Liberal Socialist Democrat Party.
The "truth" of it is that today's LSD party looks exactly like the beginnings of the American Nazi Party. HEIL BARRY!!
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"Since you've identified yourself as one of the top 1 or 2% super duper people in this country, I'm looking forward to seeing your taxes increased to help the people you hate so much."
Another e-leech with his hand out, begging for some unearned, undeserved wealth. I see!
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"It's also amazing to me that someone as lucky as you supposedly are would fight against giving anything back. Karma will reward justly for your hateful selfishness."
"Anything"?? Your suppositions - ongoing - are asinine, but illustrative of the hatefulness of the LSD party today. +/-40% pay nothing but are being promised ongoing working welfare checks. Give them a fish, so to speak. Producers and successes are demonized and targeted. Something for nothing - it's called theft - isn't exactly a karma-builder to a much greater extent, chief!
Thou shall not steal!
I am John Galt!
"attacking girls at ATMs and carving a "B" on their faces after seeing a Mccain sticker"
Just like everything else in your message, this too is a sensational fabrication. I.E. she made it up.
RE the actual content of your post. Good to know you can be gotten too. You could use it. Better buckle up!
"Another e-leech with his hand out, begging for some unearned, undeserved wealth. I see!"
I employ many people. :)
You better stop posting like that. It's getting hard to feel sorry for you.
"RE the actual content of your post. Good to know you can be gotten too. You could use it. Better buckle up!"
Impotent responsiveness noted. No rebuttal also noted, check.
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"Just like everything else in your message, this too is a sensational fabrication. I.E. she made it up."
Prove it!
In-denial responses and lead-helmet attack suppositions. The burgeoning hallmarks of the American Nazi Party.
The Nazi movement was a movement from rabid conservatives, not liberals. In fact the Nazis were anti-liberal and anti-communist. Your lack of knowledge in this area really shows. Addtionally, only one girl was "attacked", and even some conservative bloggers are suspicious. Maybe she was attacked, but the B on her face (what's the B for anyways, Barack?) is way too shallow, too perfect, and up-side-down. A mugger doing a hit and run and mutilating someone with a knife wouldn't have been that gentle. It just looks weird. Then again maybe she is a victim, and I feel bad for her then. That's no reason to say all of Obama's supporters are like that.
"Prove It!"
Sure thing, Here you go...
"Police planned to administer a polygraph test to Ashley Todd, 20, because her statements about the attack conflict with evidence from the Citizens Bank ATM where she claims the incident occurred, police said."
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtr...
You want a better response? You've got it. I was in a hurry the last time. I'm sorry.
I am a very privileged person. I am one of the lucky ones in this world. I make well over $250k and will definitely pay more taxes under Obama.
But unlike you, I don't care about that. I care more about society as a whole, and especially those who are hated by people like you. You know, Blacks, Mexicans, Homosexuals, Women, the list goes on and on.
See, I don't mind giving a few more percent back to help balance the equation. In the long run, I will be happier and much more wealthy than you for having done so. That's how karma works.
I am not burning with hatred for people who are less fortunate than I and do not see them a lazy leeches the way you do. In fact, I spend more time being grateful for what I have and do not fear that someone is trying to steal my chips.
I was born a white man in a white mans world. I imagine this is true for you as well. From my perspective, you show great disrespect for yourself and for what you are privileged to have by acting the way you do.
You can quote all the statistics you want. To me, your rant just sounds like the same hateful rhetoric that followed MLK around during the civil rights movement. I'm not sure if those people from the 60s are ashamed of themselves now. But they should be, and so should you.
Speaking of how perfect the B looks, wouldn't the lady have struggled/thrashed some? I mean that B is perfect. Also if it was done with a knife, it wouldn't look like that. The rounded curves of the B would look more like Vs.
It's very nice to know you can be "gotten to".
I'm not interested in your life-story.
"From my perspective, you show great disrespect for yourself and for what you are privileged to have by acting the way you do."
Impotent hater response noted. Class warfare volley by liberal, check. Nothing but lashing out as argument, check.
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"I care more about society as a whole, and especially those who are hated by people like you. You know, Blacks, Mexicans, Homosexuals, Women, the list goes on and on."
Blah, blah, blah. Class warfare /divide and conquer - IS the LSDs domain, not the Republicans liberals lie about to cover themselves up.
MLK was a Republican. The oppressors of civil rights were DEMOCRATS, mainly southern democrats. Wallace, bull Connor, William Fulbright, Robert Byrd (KKK), Strom Thurmond (when he was a Democrat - and so forth.
The KKK was began (and lynched/murdered,raped and their sordid history - by SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS after the Civil War (begun BY Democrats to keep slavery among other oppression-based grievances. Stop wasting bandwidth with the lies of Democrat love of the oppressed - it's guilt for having oppressed them for more than a century. This is FACT and is undeniable.
Ayers was bombing American targets in the 60s. Is his compadre "Radke"(sp), former SDS and now leader/founder of ACORN?? Are they "ashamed of (themselves)"????
Face your own truth. Find a mirror. You are in over you head. WAY over your head!
Find a new type of shell. The one you have is shattered.
"ferret":
Fall in line behind my posts, it's another day.
"Face your own truth. Find a mirror. You are in over you head. WAY over your head!"
I do that every single day my friend. And it can a difficult task to be really truthful with ones Self, but only because I do not stop at the Ego level.
You should [take you own advice] and try it. Look up "Carl Jung" and his theories on projection and disowned or "shadow" material. Good stuff!
In any case, settle down. You're going to give yourself a heart attack!
Sweet deal johne. If I had that kind of dough, I'ld be down to pay out some more in taxes. Over a quarter of a million a year, I wouldn't even know what to do with that kind of money. The first time I had that kind of money I think I would roll around in it, frothing at the mouth.
It's good to hear there are decent Americans willing to help others in this time of crisis and need.
I'm having A LOT OF FUN hurling you under the bus. Another mouthy lib coming on strong; but to whimper away when all of your arguments (seems a crime to call it that, but I'm out of time here for now - gotta go rape society for my daily bread, LOL) get smashed into bits.
This projection-thing you do (a liberal bedrock) is laughable. Telling me how I feel and what I think and how ashamed I "should be" for not bowing down to your impotent attempts of personal oppression??? SO typical of LSD political and societal Nazism in today's discourse.
I am John Galt!
Find a new type of shell to place your political, historical and societal delusions in.
That 8:40 post was for "johne: .
Nazism? Where's the Fuehrer principle? Where's the SA and the SS? Where's the list of offenders to be carted off to camps? Where's the militant nationalism and expansionism? Where's the backlash against modernity in society?
Throwing the phrase Nazi around, cheapens the memory of WWII and all the people who fought, died, or were touched by it. This reeks of smear politics.
In any case fictional character, where's your static engine that you've hidden from the parasites? No you're no John Galt, you're Andrew Ryan at home in Rapture.
"The first time I had that kind of money I think I would roll around in it, frothing at the mouth."
That's how I view my first million dollar paycheck. Which, hopefully, is less than a couple months away. Certainly will be the most I've ever made in one shot, by far.
Now, if the universe is being that generous with me, why in the world would I care about giving back? It's been my experience that I was not really successful until I WAS willing to give back, and the more I am willing to care about others, the more I am rewarded for it. Simple as that.
"This projection-thing you do (a liberal bedrock) is laughable."
Your "Ego" could not have said it better. :)
BTW, that thing you just poo-poohed is at the very core of universal knowledge, a key component of all religions globally, and the very essence of all mystics gurus and sages.
Um...I'm going with them versus you. Have nice day though.
Really, the "nazi" namecalling is pathetic and emblematic of the absolute collapse of NVMakz's argument.
Nazi, Hitler, etc are NVMakz's desperate white flags, signaling mania and maybe a few sociopathic tendencies.
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful. Godwin himself has discussed the subject. See also Formosa's Law."
Augusto Pinochet & John McCain
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Pin...
"Really, the "nazi" namecalling is pathetic and emblematic of the absolute collapse of NVMakz's argument.
Democrats have been hurling these names and more at the Republican for many decades - to cover Democrat's ACTUAL political crimes.
The liberal, exemplified by your sad late-non-entry into this debate, exposed yourself as a hypocrisy-constipated speech-quelling NAZI - with NO point-based argument to offer, because you can not.
I explained why Democrats mirror the Nazis, Fascists and other historical political rapist-politics adherents - belong to the Democrat party, especially in the modern-era. You have no response.
Blaming another for "your" crimes - to simply deflect and cover - is your role here, childish as you have become.
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"Nazi, Hitler, etc are NVMakz's desperate white flags, signaling mania and maybe a few sociopathic tendencies."
The truth, as laid on you all by me and other (Rs) here, reveals in "your" responses - a definite socio-pathetic emptiness of Obama-liberalism which goes "nucular" when a liberal is challenged (or, in this case, crushed) ; representing vicious freedom-crushing Democrat politics - and its arguments of name-calling and projection, as you have SO VERY WELL exemplified in your knee-JERK demonizations.
Sarah Palin responds to wardrobe flap
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/polit...
"Most of them, she said, haven't even left the belly of her campaign plane."
I have a very simple question:
If she is not using the wardrobe in question, why doesn't she say "Thanks, but no thanks" and return them to stores?
"Most of them, she said, haven't even left the belly of her campaign plane."
I hope she's not saving them for election night. She's not going to need them by then. She'll a parka for the trip back home!
Seriously, Makz you haven't explained at any length why the democrats are the new Nazis. You just throw the word around, and it cheapens the meaning of it. No one on earth today is like the Nazis. Even the neo-Nazis tromping around the under-belly of various societies are not like the Nazis. You know who's like the Nazis...the Nazis, and 99% of them are dead. It cheapens the discourse to use such inflamatory language "just to get a few more seats".
Makz takes Ashley Scott's ALLEGATION that she was attacked as a FACTUAL indictment of Obama supporters, then dares anyone to disprove Scott's story?
Ok, I'll bite.
http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloo...
"Investigators did say that they received photos from the ATM machine and "the photographs were verified as not being the victim making the transaction."
"This afternoon, a Pittsburgh police commander told KDKA Investigator Marty Griffin that Todd confessed to making up the story."
"The commander added that Todd will face charges; but police have not commented on what those charges will be."
She lied. She admitted she lied, and now Makz has about three dozen eggs on his face.
Well whaddya know?!?
The way people jumped onto this story and accepted it as the truth (by NVmakz, Drudge, The National Review) and now the reveal that it was all a dramatically staged act to scare suburban white women should tell you everything about people like NVMakz, Drudge, and those who write at the National Review.
They would rather believe, with no evidence, a story like this than wait for even the lightest bit of investigation.
We have a long way to go before that kind of prejudice and ignorance can be erased from our society, but when LIES like these are exposed, it can only help bring our country together.
NVMakz has an apology to give.
Uber pwnage thebs.
The B just looked too good and too shallow for someone to have carved it into her face with a knife. Besides, it was backwards which had several people scratching their heads on that one.
Police: McCain volunteer made up robbery story
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081024/ap_o...
How come most of us knew that the story was fabrication from the beginning?
But heck, in another report she says she's very 'frugal' when she shops at home - of course she's frugal on HER dime - it's just everyone else's money that she's willing to spend so freely and extravagently.
"She lied. She admitted she lied, and now Makz has about three dozen eggs on his face."
Yep, this little yelp fabricated her story. Disgracing herself alone. Charges pending, as they should be. Republicans hold these type of liars accountable. Liberals circle to provide cover and protection for theirs.
WHO birthed Sarah Palin's "Down's" child again?? Sarah did!
How many affairs has Todd Palin had?? None nearly proven and the "Daily Kos(sacks)" debunked.
This stupid liar has no cover from me as the truth came out.
"the bs":
Bruises and broken ego healing, I see? The "laziest lawyer" on this forum is back.
Get in line with the other wounded liberals who are being mowed down. Or, move forward and be run off the board once again!
Where did that "277 beatdowns in one week" go? I have yet to see your list, "non-partisan", lol!!
I'll have to research where MY count of your lost-debate-points was before you ran away! Ah, yes, 213 to go! You can start the count again anytime!
Guess your debate-wipeout swelling has subsided enough to strap on your lead-helmet once again! It'll protect your battered "non-partisan" debate ego from the infection of superior political argument - for a very short time anyway.
The "B" was backwards, b/c the dumb b*tch did it herself in the mirror!!!!
I'm tired of Makz's appeal to ignorance and intolerance. It's demonstrative of the WORST in our society, and for all his bluster about liberal tactics, he won't condemn something like this.
This was a spineless and disgusting appeal to racial hatred, bigotry and intolerance. It demonstrates the way Republicans will truly go to any lengths to win an election, even debasing themselves and carving letters into their own faces.
The fact is, Obama represents all that they fear, and their rush to employ these kinds of disgusting, hate-mongering tactics reveals the real truth of the Republican party.
Makz will try to turn it around, blame Democrats, or even excuse it. None of those would shock me. The fact is, Makz has zero credibility.
Thank you, evil liberal media for exposing this evil woman and her true believers as frauds.
No, Makz, you can throw personal insults all you want, but you bought into this woman's story without a SHRED of evidence to support it.
You dove into the gutter as quickly as possible, with as much gusto and rank ignorance as you could muster.
"Disgracing herself alone?" You lent her story credibility by repeating it without question. So quick to believe the worst.
The egg on your face is your own. Go cry out to your "SUN GODS!"
Dear Sen. McCain,
Repudiate, repudiate Ashley Todd.
Repudiate her.
Do it quick.
Best regards,
This is sooo delicious it HAS to be fattening. Why in the world this girl thought she would get away with it is beyond me. The worst of it is ummm... some black guy did it.
I mean getting mugged in FRONT of the ATM where there's cameras.
He spotted her car, because of course it was the only car there right?
He beat her down more, because thugs/criminals are such political hounds.
Then he carved (with a knife!) a B (I guess for Barack, but why not O for Obama), and it was that perfect and that superficial.
The fact that the republican internet smear machine went full steam.
All of this is...
Money out of an ATM = $60
Tickets to Pennsylvania from Texas = $150
Soda at airport = $1
Falsely trying to get national sympathy for republicans for an Obama supporter "mugging" you = priceless.
"I'm tired of Makz's appeal to ignorance and intolerance. It's demonstrative of the WORST in our society, and for all his bluster about liberal tactics, he won't condemn something like this."
How much of an idiot ARE you? HUGE! My last post calls you a liar. The jump-first, lie later "lazy lawyer" your history here proves. Couldn't even wait for MY response, huh? (212)
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"This was a spineless and disgusting appeal to racial hatred, bigotry and intolerance."
This girl will face the music, while Louis Farrakahn, Jeremiah Wright/Michael Phleger(sp)/Al Sharpton etc - and "the bs" (respectively) skate along infecting whatever they touch. (211)
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"The fact is, Obama represents all that they fear, and their rush to employ these kinds of disgusting, hate-mongering tactics reveals the real truth of the Republican party."
Class, race, and economic warfare ARE the bedrocks of liberal thought and practice. That's a given, so I'll throw you a chicken bone - no point, but choke on it!
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"Makz will try to turn it around, blame Democrats, or even excuse it. None of those would shock me.
Color you shocked. Noted - your jump-da-gun delusional hatred and ignoRANTZ on parade? (210)
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"Thank you, evil liberal media for exposing this evil woman and her true believers as frauds."
While, the 'evil LLMM" excuses and celebrates "women" like Rosie O'Donnell, Janeane Garafalo, Jane Fonda, Maureen Dowd, Katie Couric, 3/4 of "The View" (209) - and it's just goes on and on, the LLMM's golden girls of hatred.
"the bs", your 12:05 was self-debunked before you slung the spin out there.
Good job, doing my arguing and making my case FOR ME!
A pat on your lead-helmet from me!
So you're brilliant retort is: it's Katie Couric's fault?
You just sat there and blamed the liberal media, Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright for YOUR failure.
Exactly what I said you would do.
You didn't condemn the underlying racial hatred and ignorance that led to your endorsement of Ashley Scott's claim.
Run away from taking responsiblity for your "jump the gun" endorsement... quite cowardly, I'd say.
Face it, Makz, your credibility is shot.
"the bs", your 12:05 was self-debunked before you slung the spin out there."
Call it: predicting future behavior.
Looking at your post at 12:23, the few classes in sociology have paid off. You blamed everyone BUT yourself. My words ring true!
Stop playing the blame game and apologize for your words.
"Exactly what I said you would do."
Your invective - posted here BEFORE I posted my genuine disgust with this one (R) liar - was self-debunked. Your sting is long gone, chief - the stinger long, long removed. Your preSENSE and debate-loss-swelling are affecting your "game", however much you think you have "left".
Lies from stupid conservative idiots like this today get caught and punished, from my side. Lies from older, stupid liberals just get repeated and burnished and THEN, trotted out again and again as gospel.
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'You didn't condemn the underlying racial hatred and ignorance that led to your endorsement of Ashley Scott's claim."
WHO is "Ashley Scott", anyway. Her last name is TODD (208). I'm affecting your vision and reading comprehension as well. increasing brain swelling and lead-poisoning may be the cause, get help!
Being so battered and beaten over time, you think your shrunken credibility warrants your flailing have to be served? The back-of-the-line", where you are, gets served whenever I feel like it. Tough for you, being out-of-control, eh?
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"Face it, Makz, your credibility is shot."
Face facts, "the bs" - you haven't had any credibility for months; long before getting "run out of "Dodge" last month.
thebs I think you're being cyberstalked.
Your personal attacks on thebs can't mask the truth, NVMakz, you swallowed the poisoned fruit and now all you've got is... diarrhea!
You are also brazenly hypocritical. When someone corrects your spelling or a simple mistake, you dismiss it as nit-picking. Her name is Ashley Todd, STOP NIT-PICKING! LOLOL!!!!!!!
Yup, thebs said you'd go on to blame anyone and everyone you could. You've given us a laundry list of "liberals," from Rosie O'Donnell to Farahkhan!
Your words appealed to the worst in our country, and you're not apologetic? Why isn't anyone surprised?
THIS is the tactic of the Republican slime machine. LIES about a horrific assault on a WHITE WOMAN. This is the STARK TRUTH of how the Republican party has LIED and SCHEMED their way into power. LIES about Obama's religion. LIES about Obama's heritage. LIES about Obama's history. LIES about Obama's family.
And you willingly helped perpetrate that kind of hatred, NVMakz.
So quick to believe any old thing found on the internet, again! First wikipages, now this?
Sorta gullible, I'd say!!!!!
"thebs I think you're being cyberstalked."
Haha, luckily I don't fear impotent bullies.
Your "genuine disgust?" You use stronger language in passing than your fangless faux-indictment of Ashley TODD. (More nit-picking, I see.) Having your face smashed into the "virtual tarmac," you have nowhere to go but to blather on about your obsession with my presence.
For the record, I was in rural Asia for a month working on a project. And no, I'm not a Communist. And no, I didn't miss you, Makz. But it's nice to know you care! :)
And when I come back, what do I read? An appeal to racism and ignorance, fully endorsed by Makz. Repeated without forethought or proof, just a casual display of seething hatred. Not that I expected more, mind you, but from someone who's constantly stammering about the corroding socialist nationalist fascist communist nature of Dems, it's a complete joy to watch them choke on facts.
The fact stands, Makz was losing the argument, so he repeated an unsubstantiated, divisive appeal to bigotry in the hopes of scaring voters that turned out to be a complete lie.
Charlatan, thy name is NVMakz.
He's a "follower" of mine - just like you, but with more "talent" for invective and losing arguments - eventually.
Actually, if I have a title of relation to NVMakz, that would be "debunker."
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Your "genuine disgust?" You use stronger language in passing than your fangless faux-indictment of Ashley TODD. (More nit-picking, I see).
Nit-picking for YOU blowing her name. You didn't even know WHO you meant; anxious to show everyone here why you got run-out a month ago. THIS was your "grand re-entrance", only to bumble and stumble around. See, libs = HERE (HE) IS AGAIN, LOL, LOL...
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For the record, I was in rural Asia for a month working on a project.
Of course, you were!
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Removing the irrelevant, self-debunked flailing spin & crash which IS "the bs" = and THIS was it?
Loser then, loser now and loser going forward - thy name is "the bs".
This one is too easy to charge points, lol.....
Yeah, NVMakz swallowed Ashley Todd's story, hook line and sinker.
No questioning her motives or the facts of the case, just a full stamp of approval from NVMakz.
No wonder he supports McCain/Palin!
Hahaha! Bumble and stumble? That would be your full-throated "PROVE IT!" when someone dared to question Ashley Todd's story.
Your righteous indignation shot yourself in the foot. Your rush to condemn and appeal to bigotry, rather than wait a few hours to see if it were actually true.
You not only believed her, you DEFENDED her.
Gullible? NVMakz? Check!
Charlatan? NVMakz? Check!
Might want to consult a surgeon about that giant foot you've got in your mouth, Makz.
"Actually, if I have a title of relation to NVMakz, that would be "debunker."
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YEAH, yeah,,, HEY GUYS, FOR SURE, DUHHH -- I FUR SURR CUHD TAKE HIM, YEAHH...
(207 - for your phony bluster and ignoRANT gall).
Look around real hard and cry out, "the bs", for the help and support which will never be enough.
Not anymore......
Debunk: To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims of.
NVMakz's Ashley Todd story? An absolute lie repeated by NVMakz with gusto and indignation.
Yup, NVMakz has been debunked.
" Your rush to condemn...., rather than wait a few hours to see if it were actually true."
See the hypocrite, yourself! Diving in with your "grand entrance" of what blew up as self-debunkment, before I even responded!
Otherwise, asked, answered and "the bs" embarrassed!
You responded with PRECISELY what I said you would. You blamed Rosie O'Donnell and Katie Couric for the story that you swallowed.
Your blame game is easily dissected and destroyed.
"Debunk: To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims of".
Debunked: The previously overused descriptor which has come back to bite "the bs" in the butt. (206)
Where's the list of my "277 beatdowns in one week"??
I guess you lost it in "rural Asia"???
See why I have criticized his debate style. Instead of saying I/we blew it. She lied. I kind of feel like a putz for being so vehement about her story. Instead we get stupid liberals and you are still wrong and look stupid. Classic. Seriously just do a little mea culpa. Say, "I messed up. I rushed." Then the bounteous blessings of forgiveness shall be yours.
Or you can keep digging a hole. By the time you're done, you'll be saying, "G'day mate!" to some kangaroos.
NVMakz, you should have asked more questions about her story. You should have asked why the B was carved into her face instead of an O. You should have asked why her story changed: she kept changing when she thought her attacker had seen her McCain sticker.
You were very quick to believe a liar like Ashley Todd, and very quick to repeat the story that had no evidence. That is very gullible.
It is very clear you are angry that you have been so embar-assed by the new evidence that this woman is a liar. Instead of acknowledging that you shouldn't have just repeated it without any more evidence, you attack the people who proved you wrong.
That's pitiful.
"You responded with PRECISELY what I said you would. You blamed Rosie O'Donnell and Katie Couric for the story that you swallowed."
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YUHHH, YEAHH GUYS -- LOOKAD ME OVVIRR HEERREE - SEE MY TRYIN' ; SEE ME GOIN AT EM???
Show me here and now YOUR comment (lol), before I wrote THIS - where as you allege (before I posted this), where I would "blame(d) Rosie ODonnell and Katie Couric"??? (205)
Dance for my amusement once again - like ol' times! You got me for most of 2 hours more, then I'll go, uhhh, uhhh, to "rural Asia", yeahhh, "rural Asia", that's da ticket!
"Where's the list of my "277 beatdowns in one week"??"
I was feeling sorry for you, such insurmountable odds and all, and wiped the slate clean.
Unfortunately for you, you dug yourself right back into a hole in your full-throated, indignant endorsement of Ashley Todd's racist lie. I should've seen that one coming.
As Homer would say, "Doh!"
You can't win even when I let you cheat. Poor guy!
You blamed Rosie, Katie, as well as Janeane Garofalo, Jane Fonda, Maureen Dowd, etc. All those evil liberal women you hate. You wrote it at 12:23. Are we going to fast? You seem to be lost.
Have we strayed from the topic at hand? Where you insisted that an African-American Obama supporter had attacked a white female McCain supporter?
You know, that story that has been exposed as a lie?
At least you got her last name correct this time.
No notation of you predicting where I "blamed Rosie O'Donnell and Katie Couric" for this particular issue, check (204).
Wait, found it!
I think we were talking about your quote:
"Oh, I think you really don't know your political science, context or history very well. All-powerful central government , A cult-of-personality leader (whose graphic artist copies Communist / Nazi examples for BO), A single - liberal - angry - political party goose-stepping to the "change" they promise - goons attacking physically their opponents (attacking (R) campaign offices, property , attacking girls at ATMs and carving a "B" on their faces after seeing a Mccain sticker) the politics of destruction, lies and spin replace serving "The People" = the modern-day Liberal Socialist Democrat Party."
Yeah, that's where you falsely assert that a "goon" had "attack(ed) girls at ATMs and carving a "B" on their faces after seeing a Mccain sticker."
Your words, Makz.
Trying to spread the lies of bigotry and hatred has been the main campaign tool of the Republican party for decades.
Only a fool would believe these lies, and only a fool would repeat them.
You should be ashamed, NVMakz!
Actually he didn't blame the golden girls of evil liberalism. He just played a game of moral equivalency and then changed the subject. When he can't stand the heat, he gets out of the kitchen and blames everything else. As said before, just apologize for rushing in on this one. Here's how to do it, "I'm sorry..."
Have you seen the polls today NVMakz? Even the optimized poll you quoted yesterday is way up for Obama today.
With every hateful word you and you friends vomit up against Obama, the better he does. I love it. It almost makes me appreciate you.
Thanks for continuing to be a blathering hateful bigot. It is really helping our side win!
No, you didn't == YOU were talking about making predictions that never were and that were since debunked hard.
No notation on "Rosie and Katie"(mq) yet??? Shall I charge interest on that point? Tick, tock, tick, tock......
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"Yep, this little yelp fabricated her story. Disgracing herself alone. Charges pending, as they should be. Republicans hold these type of liars accountable. Liberals circle to provide cover and protection for theirs.....
......This stupid liar has no cover from me as the truth came out."
You forgot that! This issue was asked and answered. Then, it was fun-time!
I simply can not help it if your side has a much more long-term sordid, cover-up past whan it comes to race-baiting male/female strife - as became the point.
Can you say "Tawana Brawley"?? She and Al Sharpton actually ruined lives with LLMM cover, while Ashley Todd was a "little yelp who fabricated her story"! Wanna walk into the wrong room - again?
Embarrassed in the rush-to-demonize for peer acceptance - again, eh??
Check!
Who said any of us thought that she was right? I was wondering how those Lacrosse players got charged, and I had a healthy amount of scepticism about her claim.
But again the subject has been changed. Speaking of which, it was predicted you would blame other people. That happened as you blamed Rosie et al about some other nonsense that wasn't part of the discussion. You changed the subject, because your hand was caught in the cookie jar.
Seriously, just say sorry about calling the democrats a bunch of Nazi thugs beating up on white women, then we'll call it even.
Oh, sure you can try to change the subject to a "your side" vs. "my side" debate, but I'd rather keep it on a you vs. me.
See, I wasn't the one with egg on my face after repeating a lie.
That was you.
I didn't tar all liberals with an unfounded accusation.
That, again, was you.
The "race-baiting" came not from "your side" but from you. With no corroborating facts, you made an unfounded, despicable accusation and then defiantly screamed "PROVE IT!" when someone called you on it.
You accused a man, and in your own words, by extension, all liberals, with a crime that never happened.
So, in the end, when you compare the two of us, only one of us made a demonstrably false accusation of a hate crime. That was you, Makz.
Your subterfuge is entertaining in a "wow, he's beet red, embarrassed and grasping at straws" kinda way, but you need to own your folly.
You write, "Republicans hold these type of liars accountable." You haven't acknowledged your error. You said she "disgraced herself alone."
No, disgraced are all those, yourself included, who shamelessly repeated her accusation as fact and have yet to acknowledge your error.
You can call her a "stupid liar." That, she is. But where's that famous Republican personal responsibility you love to talk about? Where's your "mea culpa?" (hat tip, ferret)
"Trying to spread the lies of bigotry and hatred has been the main campaign tool of the Republican party for decades."
From 8:11am:
The oppressors of blacks regarding civil rights were DEMOCRATS, mainly Southern democrats. Wallace, Bull Connor, William Fulbright, Robert Byrd (KKK), Strom Thurmond (when he was a Democrat) - and so forth.
The KKK was began (and lynched/murdered,raped and their sordid history) - by SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS after the Civil War (begun BY Democrats to keep slavery among other oppression-based grievances). Stop wasting bandwidth with the lies of Democrat love of the oppressed - it's guilt for having oppressed them for more than a century. This is FACT and is undeniable.
(which, "johne", you did not respond to; except by trying to change the subject)
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"Only a fool would believe these lies, and only a fool would repeat them."
I see you DID take a look in the mirror; or is that your reflection in your monitor?
Got most of an hour, then it's off to uhh, hmmm, "rural Asia".
Yes, NVMakz, actually bigotry and hatred was last famously practiced by the Republican party in 2000, in South Carolina, with Rove's mailers about McCain's "black baby."
It's ok, NVMakz. We can all tell you have been humiliated today. You've had a tough day, and your sad attempts at changing the subject to Maureen Dowd or the history of slavery won't change that.
Poor guy! So proud... and so wrong!
Oh geez, dude. "Rural Asia" was a joke. Humorless and disgraced, embarrassed and strident... I don't blame you for wanting to run away, Makz.
Now where's that mea culpa?
Didn't we say it? At issue: brainless college kid from Texas trying to derail Obama's campaign.
Makz "new" subject, well... ummmm Democrats supported slavery over 150 years ago. News flash Washington, Jefferson, hell most of the founding fathers did too. While they might have found slavery repugnant, they still wanted the South in the Union.
Back to the subject at hand, man this chick really blew it for McCain. If there is one thing Americans hate more than anything else, is feeling like their sympathy was wringed out of them by false pretenses.
And if we really have to change the subject on this thread (like it hasn't already been several times), what about that De La Hoya/Pacquio fight huh?
"Oh, sure you can try to change the subject to a "your side" vs. "my side" debate, but I'd rather keep it on a you vs. me."
That debate ended a long time ago; all that's "left" is your cryin' out for my attention.
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"I didn't tar all liberals with an unfounded accusation."
Crippling logical fallacies: see: "the bs". I crushingly pointed out the overwhelming hypocrisy of Democrat's race-hatred history in this regard. And, still, no rebuttal on that either. Of course.
List that!
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"You accused a man, and in your own words, by extension, all liberals, with a crime that never happened."
Since her story was a lie; THERE WAS NO MAN! NAME HIM!!(204). I can name the Tawana brawley victim who lost his professional life with her lies - STILL covered for by some liberals!!
The accuracy of active race-hatred on behalf of Democrats has no truthful rebuttal for over a century, and none but withering run-for-cover self-denial from anyone today!
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"So, in the end, when you compare the two of us, only one of us made a demonstrably false accusation of a hate crime. That was you, Makz."
Name the accusation I MADE?? WHO was it made against?
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"You write, "Republicans hold these type of liars accountable." You haven't acknowledged your error. You said she "disgraced herself alone."
I love to see you flogging dead horses. I am not the liar here, chief! Maybe I'll start hlding you accountable for every lie some liberal tells and you relay? I don't know if I can hold THOSE to >300 characters, lol.
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"You can call her a "stupid liar." That, she is. "
Yes she is and I did disown and disavow it the minute I found out, as you already know - AFTER leaping in to puff-up some false cred with the other debate losers here.
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"Your subterfuge is entertaining in a "wow, he's beet red, embarrassed and grasping at straws" kinda way, but you need to own your folly."
I just had to re-add this one as evidence of the self-denial you have worn-on-your-keyboard since not long as we've tangled. Being crushed and debunked most of the way, and still "the bs' " self-delusions arise at the most embarrassing times.
Some liberals here would call your lashing-out "projection". I call it the shallow, hollowed-out liberals being "Beat Red"!!!
20 minutes, then off to "rural Asia", yeah! I'm sad my fun-time is ending, but a "hat tip" to all of you who participated in your own flailing embarrassments today, especially the shredding-in-process "the bs".
PS: you guys better let "ferret" know who Tawana Brawley is = he's been routed enough recently already!
I DID forget about the Duke Rape Case though. The most recent Democrat rush-to-crush for racial reasons alone.
"Oh geez, dude. "Rural Asia" was a joke"
OK, what corner of the world DID you go after getting run off of this forum by me a month ago. Afghanistan? Venezuela??
See, you bust yourself every time - or come here and I do it for you!
The Jim Crowe party from the 1890's up to the late 1960's was the Democratic Party.
During the early 1900's, it was the Democrats who created a bunch of laws preventing blacks from vote and created segeration laws. Those laws lasted until the late 1960's.
In the 1960's it was large majority of the Democrats in the Senate and the House that were against the Civil Rights bills.
The Democrats tried to filibuster the bills.
LBJ had to rely on almost 100% support from Republicans to get the bills passed in the House and the Senate.
The current President pro tempore of the US Senate is Robert Byrd who use to be a KKK grand master.
He is 3rd in line to be President if the Prez, VP and Speaker of House all die.
Still taking absolutely no responsibility for your own words? Hmmm.
"Oh, I think you really don't know your political science, context or history very well. All-powerful central government , A cult-of-personality leader (whose graphic artist copies Communist / Nazi examples for BO), A single - liberal - angry - political party goose-stepping to the "change" they promise - goons attacking physically their opponents (attacking (R) campaign offices, property , attacking girls at ATMs and carving a "B" on their faces after seeing a Mccain sticker) the politics of destruction, lies and spin replace serving "The People" = the modern-day Liberal Socialist Democrat Party."
That last extension ties together all liberals as behaving in that manner. That sentence contains KNOWN LIES.
Your words, Makz. LIES.
"Name the accusation I MADE?? WHO was it made against? "
"A single - liberal - angry - political party goose-stepping to the "change" they promise - goons attacking physically their opponents (attacking (R) campaign offices, property , attacking girls at ATMs and carving a "B" on their faces after seeing a Mccain sticker) the politics of destruction, lies and spin replace serving "The People" = the modern-day Liberal Socialist Democrat Party.""
Your words, Makz. Your LIES, Makz.
"OK, what corner of the world DID you go after getting run off of this forum by me a month ago."
Actually, I posted here on October 9th. Hmm. October 9 - October 23rd. Is that a month? No. Just another Makz LIE.
You write, "Republicans hold these type of liars accountable." You haven't acknowledged your error. You said she "disgraced herself alone."
No, disgraced are all those, yourself included, who shamelessly repeated her accusation as fact and have yet to acknowledge your error.
You can call her a "stupid liar." That, she is. But where's that famous Republican personal responsibility you love to talk about? Where's your "mea culpa?"
Thanks, "nance"!
To the 'tarred and feathered" liberal race-attack hypocrites here = have a good, safe weekend. Don't run away and hide, as "the bs" did!
Time is up!
On second thought: Yes, she is a "stupid liar."
And you believed her.
Still trying to change the subject after getting out debated several times. First all the stuff you bring up, way old news, and a change of subject along with a healthy dose of equivalency. You still can't change that you quipped that the democrats were Nazis beating up poor defenseless white female McCain supporters. You can't change it. So stop trying to tag the democrats and specifically the South for things that happened a long time ago.
And if we are going to change subjects, how about the GOP's patent gay hatred that has been festering since the 80s.
Republicans wanted them out of the military on the bogus idea that they would be too distracted by all the men in uniform.
Republicans want to ban them from any kind of union even though several state supreme courts have labeled this as discriminatory.
Several republicans, even vociferous opponents of gay rights are in fact gay!
Republicans want to limit gays' ability to adopt.
Republicans want to ax gay motivated hate crimes from hate crime bills.
So now the shoe is on the other foot. Now the republicans are the ones behind the times.
Past is passed, and now is now. And quite frankly you guys are lagging on these issues.
Ferret, I'm nearing 1000 posts here, some debunking Makz, some humiliating Nance, so I think I have a good grasp on his modus operandi, and you bring up a good point about the Right's demonization of the GLBT community.
Unfortunately, Makz's hyperpartisan fever dreams preclude him from seeing any negative aspect of Republicans or their campaign tactics. I'm pretty sure we all saw that bright as day today. Equivalence is the only boot he knows how to wear. (e.g. You can't criticize Bush without hearing about Clinton)
Makz and Nance are categorically incapable of separating the individual from the group, and thus when A Democrat breaks the law, says something godawful or makes a false allegation, it's indicative of the entire group. But (again, displayed today with "disgraced herself alone") they refuse to believe the same of their own party.
They're quite happy slinging mud at Democrats, and simultaneously refusing to go on the record as supporting McCain.
What's so absurd is that Makz said he supported Romney in the primary... which I find stunning, considering Romney's the biggest shapeshifting panderer the Republicans have to offer.
Just proof of "all talk, no action" on the part of Makz.
But this is something that won't be forgotten anytime soon. I'll make sure to allude to it in every single comment response I have with Makz for the next few months or so...
At least he can have that to look forward to when he returns.
I'll make it a series: The Cautionary Tale of Ashley Todd.
"...which, "johne", you did not respond to; except by trying to change the subject..."
You raised both points silly boy. I never said republican or democrat. You added that part too.
I addressed your "look in the mirror" directive with the best possible answer, and you essentially dumped on me for mentioning a basic construct of the process. You called it "liberal".
I sit in a circle of mystery scholars (a term you would not know) comprised of Oscar winners, Scientists working on cures for cancer, and people worth millions of dollars who are both philanthropic and not. They are both conservative and liberal. So, you're point is utterly inept and uninformed.
As for the rest, it needs no addressing. I don't care for hate speech from you, Lyndon Johnson, or anyone else. Once again, re-read my post and notice I did not mention liberals or conservatives. You added that as if I said it and then made me wrong for it. Just like Faux news, in fact.
Speaking of the KKK (as you love to do), how many of them do you suppose are voting for McCain? My guess...100%.
thebs - "....hyperpartisan fever dreams..."
A darn fine observation and a good name for it too.
Great post, and I agree with you as well. IMHO, these people are now as upset about Bush as we have been, and they just don't know where to channel all that anger except at us. Aren't we lucky?
Forget about Joe the Plumber.
Meet Joe the 911-caller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y6_s3O5B...
LOVE y'all's Friday afternoon happy hour circle jurking.
Funny.
Impotently Democrat!
Thanks again for a FINE day.
I'm amazed with your spectacular collapse in only a few hours, Makz. With nothing left, you surrender.
That's what you get for spreading race-baiting lies, I guess. Should teach you a lesson in blindly believing the worst in people.
Can't believe how hard you fell for the lies of Ashley Todd. Seems kinda gullible, I'd say.
"Impotently"
Still not working with your projections are you Makz? Gotta tell ya, pretty funny from the inside, a place you fear to go. I would be embarrassed to make the observations you do.
thebs - it's Makz version of surrender. As we get closer to November 4th, look for more and more cynical and sarcastic comments. That's how children do it. They throw the game board up in the air and stomp out of the room.
Makz, have you seen the polls today? Even worse for your guy than yesterday! Yikes!
Oh, and did you see that Palin's throwing in the towel with McCain? Can't say I blame her. He's old and used up. Just an angry old man who should retire. Somebody should buy Palin a parka. She's going to need it.
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(add "the bs's latest limp-wristed, rambling stalking-"donkey" message here)
HONK, HONK, HONK........
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Hey, progress within your lead-helmet - "the bs" got her name right! Must have has your chin-strap loosened FOR you, lol...
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"joane":
Still on YOUR share of the liberal loser weekend jurkoff "bender"?? Quite a weekend hangover I laid on y'all, eh??
Still indecipherable, are you? SPLATTTT! Not as full of piss and vinegar anymore, are you = but begging for my attentions from some ditch somewhere.
Team up - you all sound the same = lame, overwhelmed and flaccid!
"A single - liberal - angry - political party goose-stepping to the "change" they promise - goons attacking physically their opponents (attacking (R) campaign offices, property , attacking girls at ATMs and carving a "B" on their faces after seeing a Mccain sticker) the politics of destruction, lies and spin replace serving "The People" = the modern-day Liberal Socialist Democrat Party."
That's a quote from NVMakz.
That's a quote from NVMakz where he repeats a fallacy, a race-baiting lie.
That's a quote in which NVMakz believed the word of a mentally disturbed McCain volunteer and repeated her words without evidence or proof.
That's a quote NVMakz will not repudiate, even though he knows it's based on a lie.
Your suppositions, NVMakz, are based on proven lies. You fell for an easily debunked lie from a delusional college kid. No amount of personal attacks or homophobic vitriol will change that.
"...limp-wristed..."
I'm shocked that you would notice something like that. Never imagined it about you. Racist? Sure, but homosexual? That comes as a surprise to me.
You're not much for looking inward are you? Can't wait to hear your next secret!
NVMakz, you have conducted yourself shamefully on this comment thread, with veiled referenced to racist language and bigoted, homophobic personal attacks.
You are lashing out in humiliation because you believed a lie and repeated the lie and defended the lie without knowing if it were actually true., and people called you out on it. You ran off yesterday in shame, only to return to a dead conversation to try to salvage your shattered reputation.
It is not their fault that you repeated a lie. Your personal attacks and support of Ashley Todd's lies show how angry and humiliated you must feel. Unfortunately, you keep digging your hole deeper by lashing out at others, when you should take a step back and apologize for repeating lies. That's the responsible, adult thing to do.
Show some maturity and apologize for believing, repeating and defending Ashley Todd.
"NVMakz, you have conducted yourself shamefully on this comment thread, with veiled referenced to racist language and bigoted, homophobic personal attacks."
"Y'all STILL stand in denial of my victorious, satisfying effort on Friday = Ashley Todd (a lie "believed" for 6 hours and repudiated thereafter by me) is a grain of sand in the vast deserts of the racism the Democrats have practiced for more than a century.
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"You are lashing out in humiliation because you believed a lie and repeated the lie and defended the lie without knowing if it were actually true., and people called you out on it."
REprint my DEFENSE of Todd's lie? I thought so!!
From 10/24/08 at 6:56 a.m - until noon - I believed the story because its long-term racism implications for the Democratic - still unconfronted and simply lying in-denial by those here TWO days later. Her story was a lie and at noon, when I read of that:
"This stupid liar has no cover from me as the truth came out."
My responsibilty ended at noon friday. The "3 Stooges' " obsessions on projection and continuing a long-lost battle lost. WHO needs to salve their loss and keep their projections going - y'all do!
"the bs", desperate to get off strong after returning, then admitting his lie about "rural Asia" (LOL) - projected the OPPOSITE of my response BEFORE I responded - in pathetic projections of Republican racism which are lies in comparison of Democrats.
My responsibility and "acceptance" ended there, but the liberal's obsessions here did not - even after now about a day and a half.
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"Unfortunately, you keep digging your hole deeper by lashing out at others, when you should take a step back and apologize for repeating lies."
Spoken from the ditch, your projection is a joke - thanks for a laugh with my coffee, LOL!!I
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"Show some maturity and apologize for believing, repeating and defending Ashley Todd."
At least, you got her name right! Show me my "defending" Ashley Todd? NO projection, if y'all can, lol. Repeating, sure. Believing, then repudiating within 6 hours, sure. Show me my ongoing "defending" of this liar?
She was a two-line entry in a day-and-a half obsession of lying about this by the "3 Stooges".
I'm not counting "ferret", as he's still probably looking up Tawana Brawley!
Friday was a great day for me and carnage for you 3. THAT's the truth of it. Get over it, it was a bad day for y'all. Shake it off and have another one.
Sorry guys, you lost and are mad - I get it. Get over it!Obsessions like this allow me to examine what a rabid liberals' broken ego looks like. UGLY, isn't it?.
I stand astride of all of you. AND, that's not warm rain you feel.
"REprint my DEFENSE of Todd's lie? I thought so!!"
"Just like everything else in your message, this too is a sensational fabrication. I.E. she made it up."
NVMakz: "Prove it!"
You not only repeated her lie with no corroboration, but when johnevegas rightly predicted this was a SHAM designed to fool the gullible, you fell for it with no question and, with righteousness, exclaimed "prove it!" That's defending her lie.
"Her story was a lie and at noon, when I read of that"
Yes, this shows that you are gullible and how quickly you raced to her defense.
As thebs pointed out, "She is a stupid liar and you believed her."
"the bs", desperate to get off strong after returning, then admitting his lie about "rural Asia" (LOL) - projected the OPPOSITE of my response BEFORE I responded - in pathetic projections of Republican racism which are lies in comparison of Democrats."
Man, you just can't take a joke, can you? You've been crouched down, in a defensive position for three days now, desperately trying to redeem your reputation. And, in fact, what thebs predicted came true. You have done everything to try to blame Democrats, to change the subject, and to excuse this disgusting, evil appeal to racism as just a simple lie.
"At least, you got her name right! Show me my "defending" Ashley Todd? NO projection, if y'all can, lol. Repeating, sure. Believing, then repudiating within 6 hours, sure. Show me my ongoing "defending" of this liar?"
"Prove it!" was a defense of Ashley Todd's story. You believed it and couldn't take a step back to see that there was NO EVIDENCE behind her vicious, race-baiting claim.
"Friday was a great day for me and carnage for you 3. THAT's the truth of it."
This is embarassing spin on your part, and it's really pathetic. You have been exposed as gullible by believing, defending and repeating racist lies that had no evidence. You flailed about for the past three days, revisiting your loss and desperately trying to reframe your loss as some grand victory. I think that says everything about your bruised ego, rather than anyone who successfully prosecuted the case against you.
You don't even believe your own spin, we can read it in your words.
"Sorry guys, you lost and are mad - I get it. Get over it!Obsessions like this allow me to examine what a rabid liberals' broken ego looks like. UGLY, isn't it?."
More pathetic spin? LOL! Ugly was your leap to believe a racist liar. A broken ego is your forty or so comments after her lie was revealed, lashing out with weak personal attacks and blaming Democrats for your echoed words. It hasn't worked, and it's why you are so desperate to reframe your collapse as some sort of grand win.
You can't run away from this massive blow to your already fractured credibility.
All he does is insult and change topics. All the hate of the democratic party for a century? Republicans were in the same boat too. It was an American issue back then.
And yeah, all the homophobic imagery is tawdry and pathetic to use. As we said before just admit you f'ed up, and the point will be dead and everything will move on. You seem to have the inability to admit being wrong or losing. By extension you also can't seem to admit when the republican party has done any wrong. I highly doubt in the republican party's life it has been perfect, but according to you it is.
Just deal with the fact that McCain's campaign is in tailspin. The crew is looking for ways out. The electoral map is mostly blue. It's just academic at this point.
"Just like everything else in your message, this too is a sensational fabrication. I.E. she made it up."
NVMakz: "Prove it!"
"Prove it" is a request to do that. Defend HER ACTIONS AFTER her lie was revealed - well, baloney! Liar!!
WHEN she was exposed, I ended my acceptance at that moment. I didn't blame Democratics for HER actions.
The racist history of the Democrat party ("a grain of sand in a vast desert of Democrat racism"(mq)) - unchallenged, remains the major theme and victory for me. You pursue nit-picking and parsing, lol..
Considering none of this has anything to do with SP's clothing = the vast majority of the changing subject matter represent a MAJOR humiliation for you, "the bs" and to a lesser extent, "johne".
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As thebs pointed out, "She is a stupid liar and you believed her."
That ended at noon Friday. Desperate demonization from "99" and 'the bs" represents "the crying that's "left" over" when nose-ringed into comparing the racist history of (Ds)!.
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"You've been crouched down, in a defensive position....
LOL, LOL, desperate projectional flailing. Entertain me some more! You seem unable to catch up, as you keep trying - you're boring me.
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And, in fact, what thebs predicted came true......
My "Blaming Democrats" FOR TODD!! was the meaning there. You're mixed up and swinging wildly
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"You have been exposed as gullible by believing, defending and repeating racist lies that had no evidence. You flailed about for the past three days."
I have WAILED on all comers and controlled the agenda is closer to the truth.
Being "pete and repeat", as your language reads in about 2/3 of this screed - is boring and impotent. Look, perseverating and nit-picking that which no longer is doesn't "rise to level of" counter-arguments that are serious.
After DROPPING off Todd on noon Friday, the subject matter changed - and the facts of Democrat RACISM, unchallenged, took over and y'all got trumped.
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You don't even believe your own spin, we can read it in your words.
Smells of rank desperation on your end, lol! A swing and a miss. WHIFF....
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More pathetic spin? LOL! Ugly was your leap to believe a racist liar. A broken ego is your forty or so comments after her lie was revealed
Keeping your woofing more closer to the "pete and repeat tone of this losing battle for "you.!
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"You can't run away from this massive blow to your already fractured credibility."
No need to run from a losing spin and projectional garbage in lieu of argument.
Too much dust and dirt has been swallowed and regurgitated from "99" to make yourself believable. ALL of the projection you can type changes nothing as to a great Friday for me!
Live with it! Is there such a thing as too much success against you guys - from then to now? I'm feeling so!
I have controlled the agenda. Y'all are just followers.
McCain/Palin's new campaign slogan
"Fashion First"
Jesus, I've said it before. Blatant self-agrandizement.
"Live with it! Is there such a thing as too much success against you guys - from then to now? I'm feeling so!
I have controlled the agenda. Y'all are just followers."
Seriously Napoleon, you need to get a grip. The only people who actually set an agenda on this page are the editors. They put up the stories, they maintain the boards, they run this thing and chose what to put up.
On the boards, you have a knack for impartial judgements for yourself. Enough said.
Just remember the whole line about Nazi democrats beating hapless McCain supporters and mutilating them.
btw the whole circle jerk thing was totally immature and totally homophobic. As said you guys are falling behind in the 21st century.
"A single - liberal - angry - political party goose-stepping to the "change" they promise - goons attacking physically their opponents (attacking (R) campaign offices, property , attacking girls at ATMs and carving a "B" on their faces after seeing a Mccain sticker) the politics of destruction, lies and spin replace serving "The People" = the modern-day Liberal Socialist Democrat Party."
That's a quote from NVMakz.
That's a quote from NVMakz where he repeats a fallacy, a race-baiting lie.
That's a quote in which NVMakz believed the word of a mentally disturbed McCain volunteer and repeated her words without evidence or proof.
Your suppositions, NVMakz, are based on proven lies. You fell for an easily debunked lie from a delusional college kid. No amount of personal attacks, rationalizing your self-deception or homophobic vitriol will change that.