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McCain campaign has crossed a line
Friday, Oct. 17, 2008 | 2:02 a.m.
John McCain and Barack Obama are both honorable men. Each is qualified to be president. But dignity and respect are no longer principles of a desperate McCain-Palin ticket.
We’ve all heard the latest statements from McCain, Sarah Palin and “Fixed News” to the effect that Obama associates with “known terrorists.” These comments are obviously bogus, but they appeal to an ignorant and dangerous segment of our society.
At recent McCain-Palin rallies, attendees made comments such as “Obama is a terrorist,” “Obama supports terrorism,” “Obama is a Muslim,” and “Obama is an Arab.” A sign read “Obama bin Lyin.” Someone shouted “Kill him!” in reference to Obama. One man asked McCain if he and his family should be frightened that Obama might become president. To his credit, McCain answered “no,” but the damage has been done.
We are, according to President Bush’s repeated proclamations, involved in a war without end against terrorists. Knowing this, McCain and Palin have repeatedly claimed that Obama associates with and supports terrorists (based on the fact that Obama once served on a board with William Ayers who, 40 years ago, was involved in an organization that was willing to resort to bombing).
Using the word “terrorist” in connection with Obama is the equivalent of calling Obama a traitor. Worse, these comments obviously tend to incite certain people to violence.
Who knows what such lunatics will do as a result of the fear generated by these irresponsible statements? As Keith Olbermann recently stated: The McCain-Palin terrorist remarks are a clear and present danger to the peace of this nation.
This goes beyond winning or losing an election. What could be more irresponsible?
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It is a fact that Obama has a relationship with a person who has admitted bombing to police stations in the past.
That same person has never apologize for that activity.
Obama had is his very first political fundraiser in that person's home.
I guess the writer is ingorant of these facts or perhaps he has gotten drunk from all the Obama koolaid he drinks.
What never seems to see the light of day in the "liberal media" is McMaverick's very own associations with terrorists who've been active as recently as the 2000s:
http://www.slate.com/id/2202183/
Ayers is a terrorist and Obama associates with him. Where is the lie? The lie is the ever changing story about Obama and Ayers that has been altered constantly by the Obama campaign as each fact comes out. Why is it across the line to spread the truth? Because Obama's goals cannot stand the sunshine. Wake up Nevada, this is not good for America
"What could be more irresponsible?" Well, let's start with the illiterate thugs from ACORN systematically registering to vote every cartoon character and felon in America.
Here is the Obama campaign crossing the line. Community Organizer my ***. This is so wrong.
http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?s=9...
"What never seems to see the light of day in the "liberal media" is McMaverick's very own associations with terrorists who've been active as recently as the 2000s:
http://www.slate.com/id/2202183/"
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So, you support the continued enslavement of the Nation of Cuba? Millions suffering under Castro's thumb for 50 years, with more to come? How un-American ARE YOU??
Ayers blows up HIS OWN fellow citizens ("kill your parents. THAT's where it's at, baby") - and you excuse this in bogus comparison to someone acting against vicious Communist regimes?
Ayers: "guilty as sin, free as a bird, what a country"
McCain's "terrorist" (to keep it simple for you) in prison for many years.
Liberals never mind the continued enslavement of nations. It is what you have in mind for America!
Your example is hereby blown out. Try again?
You have to laugh at this whole Ayers argument, especially in light of McCain's comment that he's proud of his friendship with Gordon Liddy, also a "domestic Terrorist" in his own right. Maybe that's where McCain came up with this whole plumber b.s...
"Laughing" at those who kill and injure their own - for a few seats more - IS the platform of the LSD these days. I guess that's a reason felons are recruited by the LSD party and ACORN??
Liddy, ims, did time for his crimes. As he should have.
Ayers (off on a technicality) = "guilty as sin, free as a bird, what a country".
"Kill your parents, that's where it's at, baby"!
also, NANCE, your comments are beginning to take on such a nasty tone! I bet you see the writing on the wall and it's really ticking you off. Don't you get discouraged now, son. There's one of these every 4 years!
gmag39 do not count your chickens yet.
The polls are showing the race is getting close again and most likely the race will get even tighter.
Every prez election since Carter/Reagen, except 2, the polls over estimated Democratic strength. The polls since Carter/Reagen have never over estimated Republican strength.
Also, there is the "Bradley" effect of white people being afraid of telling a pollster that they are voting against a black person.
In New Hampshire, polls showed Obama was ahead of Clinton by 10 points but he lost by 4 on election day.
But Democrats do have a good get-out-the-vote machine.
Also, ACORN is doing its best to steal votes.
So I think Obama will probably be the next prez.
The race IS tightening up, as all the over-weighted-with-Democratics polling will have to "fess up" and watch the race tighten. This thing the LLMM does, along with bogus exit polling benefitting liberals these last 5-6 election cycles, is to assist the liberal Democratic.
"Every prez election since Carter/Reagen, except 2, the polls over estimated Democratic strength. The polls since Carter/Reagen have never over estimated Republican strength."
Tell it, bro! Polling has not overestimated Republican strength in their formulas and - even when Republicans won both the Executive and Legislative Branches.
Even with the so-called "Bradley Effect", voters will vote as they will anyway. No one owes the truth to a pollster, only to their own conscience.
IF conservatives show up, and are not fascistic-ally supressed by liberal guilting and fascist ACORN thugs "watching the polls" = Conservatives win.
liberals aren't fascists. If you are going the totalitarian route, liberals would then be commies. Get your political spectrum straight.
left to right
Commies---Socialists----liberals----center----conservatives----fascists
fascists are on the right, and commies are on the left. Jesus, take a poli sci class or something.
personally, I wish there was a solid third candidate in this election. Change is NOT coming, no matter who gets put on the throne.
Redferrent....you are totally wrong about Fascists.
The first generally reconized Fascist government was Mussolini Italian government. The most famous reconized Fascist government was Hilter's German government.
Those Fascist governments totally embraced Socialists ideas.
You should correct your list this way
Commies--Fascists/Socialists----liberals----center----conservatives.
Fascists just have the added tinge of nationalism that socialists do not have.
Fascists believe in big government and they foundation are worker unions.
Below are some of Hilter's party platforms.
I think very few Conservatives would ever think any of those are good items.
I think there would be a lot of liberals that think these items sound interesting and good.
Here are some of Hilter's party platforms:
1. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. The activities of the individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the general good.
2. Hitler's Socialist Party demanded the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.
3. Hitler's Socialist Party demanded that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.
4. Hitler's Socialist Party demanded that all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
5. Hitler's Socialist Party demanded the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
6. Hitler's Socialist Party demanded a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
Perhaps one uses the word terrorist in relation to Obama because they have facts to back up their allegations? Does everyone really believe there are no evil terrorists out there looking for (and perhaps finding) ways to infiltrate our White House one way or the other?
As for a third option - I agree - since choice (C) NONE OF THE ABOVE really isn't an option I guess we could go for the independent candidate or we could just all stay home and let the Electoral College do their job - which they're gonna do regardless anyway.
Fascism has always been described as a "third way"; they hate both communists AND conservatives.
Their methods align with the "socialist" point in your badly and shallowly drawn political lines.
Look up, "Liberal Fascism", by Jonah Goldberg, ims. Shatters the liberal lies of fascists residing on the right.
Read about the fascist LEFT and their corrosive, undermining radical ways. Fascism and fascists have always been "left of center". To deny this is shallow and ignoRANT.
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"You should correct your list this way
Commies--Fascists/Socialists----liberals----center----conservatives.
Fascists just have the added tinge of nationalism that socialists do not have."
Well expressed. More accurately expressed!
Nance, this is hilarious. What you rip those from their party program. Do you realize that once they were in power they discarded 90% of that garbage.
1) they let big business continue to be big business. The only businesses they tended to go after were Jewish ones.
2) Small businesses actually declined during the third reich.
3) they called themselves socialist, but didn't really believe in socialism, hence why they persecuted socialists so heavily. Why is it that the first two groups of people the Nazis went after once in power were 1) Communists and 2) socialists.
4) If they are so socialist, why then did they abolish all unions. Yes they made the German Labor Front, but that was a yellow union. They had no right to strike, no real collective bargaining ability, and any real organization meant a one way trip to a "re-education camp".
5) While Nazi's had socialist elements in their governance, these predated Nazism and was already embedded in the German nation.
6) How can socialists make their primary goal during Operation Barbarossa to kill every socialist/communist they came across as a part of the Commissar Order?
Don't read a lot of history do you?
Oh lastly, I'm sure you've heard of the Night of the Long Knives right? That was when the Nazis thinned out their own ranks to consolidate the majority position within the party.
The SA leader Ernst Roehm was advocating a second revolution, the one that would implement the points in the party program, specifically the ones dealing with the socialist aspects of the party. Hitler got wind that Roehm was trying to foment this second revolution with his SA, because the SA felt that the Nazis had come to power and settled.
Hitler's reaction was immediate and brutal. While he felt remorse for having to kill Roehm, he purged his own party ruthlessly and also settled some old scores in one night. Basically SS troops went to various addresses and shot people when they answered the door.
Uber-pwnage
Man, the republicans around here are frantic.
Watching McCain tanking in the polls, watching McCain defending traditionally republican states instead of campaigning in battlegrounds, watching his erratic behavior (suspending his campaign to stop the economic crisis?), and THIS is the best they can come up with now?
As Bubba once said, "It's the economy, stupid!" The frantic distractions and "Bill Ayres!" "Jeremiah Wright!" "ACORN!" is a really pathetic attempt at distracting voters from the real issues.
That's why the republicans around here keep screeching about "associations" Obama has. Here's a hint: we know! The national press has been all over this story for half a year! What have they turned up? Nothing.
It's really sad to see the insane distraction tactics, rather than good debate on the issues.
But when you can't win on the issues, distraction is all you have.
First, you say Facists are to right of conservatives. Absolutely, none of that you mention are any conservative goals. Conservative believe in small government which would undercut the idea of Facists.
You are clueless on Hilter's economic policies after he took over power.
His government totally control the economy through 4/5 years plans that included price controls, production controls, subsidies, labor policy and consumption policy.
All those are very similar to socialism and not conservative items.
You are correct about Facist and Communist.
They promise to be the best friend of the worker but once they are in full power they excerise total power over the worker.
Stalin also abolished a lot of unions after he had total power, too.
I'll split a difference with you. The fascism of Nazism is a sort of ultra-conservative ideology that espouses some limited socialism. That said their odd economic policies can more be chalked up to totalitarian desire for control than to outright socialism.
And as said before, big business boomed in Nazi Germany at the expense of the middle class and the working class.
Also socially Nazi Germany was VERY conservative. Women were relegated back to the house or the phrase Children, Kitchen, and Church. They were also selective in their policy on abortion. While it was good for undesirables to have, it was strictly forbidden for Germans. Additionally, they wiped out social programs meant to help the needy in some areas, while bolstering it in others (i.e. Winter Fund for good Germans, T-4 euthanasia for undesirables).
Their position on gays is known well enough to leave it at that.
They were conservatives in some areas (i.e. wanting the old ways) while advocating a "brave new world" in other areas, hence they belong to the right of the political spectrum.
Not to mention, they palled around with ultra-conservative groups like the Stahlhelm, and it was the anti-democratic conservatives that put them in power.
Nazism defies most conventional labels, but to put it on the left side of liberalism is just silly.
Obama was able to build on 31 million dollars Federal government funds funneled through ACORN to over the last several years to register 250,000 democratic voters in Ohio, over 200,000 of which have no match in the various verification databases.
Then Obama got Democratic Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, to get the Supreme Court to rule that the Ohio GOP doesn't have the standing to file the suit against voter fraud.
The Supreme Court would not rule on whether Ohio was properly enforcing the Help America Vote Act.
It is very apparent that this ex-ACORN community organizer knows how to bend the laws. Wait until he gets in office
Conservative ideology has small government ideas.
There is no form of Facism that can work in a small government world.
I think you are getting confused with culture vs government and economic theory.
Most cultures in the early 1930's believe in limited role for woman and had anti-abortion leanings. During the 1930's in the USA, abortion was illegal and very few women had leadership roles in either government or private corporations. In Germany, abortion was legal but restricted.
So, I guess you are calling the US in the 1930's as more Facist than Germany if we use your culture test.
Facist is a defintion of government theory not culture beliefs.
The Fasicst German government in 1930's had a government more in common with government structure of socialism, like today's China, then the US government of the early 1800's.
Well you are wrong there, because in socialist/communist countries there was a genuine explosion of women's rights. The USSR was so bold as to assimilate women into factories and basically give them equal rights.
Even the socialists/communists in Germany espoused very expanded women's rights, see Rosa Luxemburg.
You also brought up the primary problem of Nazism, is that it was culture, economics, and government all rolled into one (totalitarianism). Hence why Nazism took over the arts and reshaped them into what they thought was right. To be so narrow minded as to say that Nazism was just a government is to deny the full extent to which Hitler really did transform life in the Third Reich.
As said before Hitler's grasping control of the economy was more due to his megalomanical nature than socialism. He wanted total control. His idea was to control the economy to gear up for war. The idea being to give the people guns and butter.
Also you didn't rebut the fact that Nazism consistently palled around with other far right groups. If they were such lefties, why weren't they more buddy buddy with the SPD or the KPD. There is also their deep hatred of liberalism as well. The fact is they came from far right groups such as the Freikorps and were loosely allied with far right groups as time went on. While they might have espoused some socialism elements those were always used to forward the nation/Volk, versus the idea of helping the world/a class of people.
Since when is it "crossing the line" when what has been said is in fact true? The statements made by the McCain camp raise legitimate questions about Obama's past and values. We have only to look at the past 8 months to find several examples of Obama saying one thing and doing another (FISA being a prime one).
As it stands now, the only thing truly known about Obama is that he is the most liberal member of the Senate.
Anything that brings to light actual data about Obama is in fair play.
Actually I read somewhere that Obama ranks as #9 in liberal rankings in the Senate. I think Biden was #8.
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Taking a page from the 'bots' book:
"So, you support the continued enslavement of the Nation of Cuba? Millions suffering under Castro's thumb for 50 years, with more to come? How un-American ARE YOU??"
Point me to where I wrote that.
"Ayers blows up HIS OWN fellow citizens ("kill your parents. THAT's where it's at, baby") - and you excuse this in bogus comparison to someone acting against vicious Communist regimes?"
Point me to where I wrote that.
"Ayers: "guilty as sin, free as a bird, what a country"
So are the terrorists associated with McCain. Your point?
"McCain's "terrorist" (to keep it simple for you) in prison for many years."
Uh, no. Read the article.
"Liberals never mind the continued enslavement of nations. It is what you have in mind for America!"
Ah yes; the talking point. LOL. Not worth a response as there is no actual point there; just made-up right wing talking point "accusations".
"Your example is hereby blown out. Try again?"
As I said on another thread, whatever helps you sleep at night, 'bot.
BTW, 'bot, does this sound familiar? Iran/Contra.
And tell me again which side props up repressive, dictatorial regimes.
Have a nice day.
Here is the story that puts Obama as the most liberal Senator in 2007:
http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voterating...
Oh and Makz, fascists hate liberalism, so they aren't liberals. Your talking points are hilarious as pardoy. Keep on reading Ann Coulter and thinking she's the Bible.
"BTW, 'bot, does this sound familiar? Iran/Contra.
And tell me again which side props up repressive, dictatorial regimes.
Have a nice day."
Democratics and especially the liberal congress "propped up" the Sandinista Communist Regime in Nicaragua. Reagan and his crew opposed the Democrat-dominated Congress and broke the laws rushed in to place to preserve Daniel Ortega and his murderous posse.
The Democrats crucified patriots who wanted to help the suffering under Sandinista Communism. They paid their political price so that Democratics could continue to support Communism in the region.
Cute and impotently quaint, this "bot" thing. Means nothing when conversing with an Obamunist. Just a little lashing out, lol!!
You know, it's funny. Every 4 years partisan republicans seem to annoint a new most liberal senator/rep/whatever. Kerry was the most liberal in 2004. Now Obama is in 2008. Quaint.
"So, you support the continued enslavement of the Nation of Cuba? Millions suffering under Castro's thumb for 50 years, with more to come? How un-American ARE YOU??"
Point me to where I wrote that.
Demonizing the Cuban Resistance to excuse Ayer's American terrorism says it all, Pat! You can not compare those who fight Communism; and then excuse Obama's terrorist associations. BUSTED!! Ayers kills and injures Americans and you shuttle your excuses to demonizing Cuban Resistance against the Communist Castro. You gotta REALLY hate your country to make the argument you have! I guess if it help you to sleep at night, eh??
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"Ayers blows up HIS OWN fellow citizens ("kill your parents. THAT's where it's at, baby") - and you excuse this in bogus comparison to someone acting against vicious Communist regimes?"
Point me to where I wrote that.
This is YOUR response!! You're covering for Ayers and his "kill America" past says it all. It seems "apples and oranges" is your retort. Or, moral equivalency, which is the limp liberal retort these days.
xxx
"Ayers: "guilty as sin, free as a bird, what a country"
So are the terrorists associated with McCain. Your point?
Read your own link again. It's obvious, you missed a lot in the rush to excuse the American domestic terrorist, Ayers and pimp Obama by extension!
xxx
"McCain's "terrorist" (to keep it simple for you) in prison for many years."
Uh, no. Read the article.
Uh, BUSTED!
In 1983, Arocena was arrested and charged with 42 counts pertaining to conspiracy, explosives, firearms, and destruction of foreign government property within the United States. He is currently serving a life sentence in federal prison in Indiana.
Look, Pat, this is YOUR kink.
http://www.slate.com/id/2202183/
xxxx
"Liberals never mind the continued enslavement of nations. It is what you have in mind for America!"
Ah yes; the talking point. LOL. Not worth a response as there is no actual point there; just made-up right wing talking point "accusations".
No response, huh? Obfuscate away, Patty! Run and hide! Only 18+/- days until Democrats can change the name of their party (small p) to the "Obamunists".
Anyway, there isn't a major anti-American effort that the Democrat Liberal hasn't got behind since before Vietnam. I guess this is the next, eh?
xxxxxx
"Your example is hereby blown out. Try again?"
As I said on another thread, whatever helps you sleep at night, 'bot.
If "bot"(LOL) is all you got; you don't realize how buried you've become!
Your moral equivalency arguments simply have no wings. I tore them off, deep-fried them and am enjoying them with ranch dressing!
Wow! This article received a lot of comments!
-Hingreed
redferret said:
"You know, it's funny. Every 4 years partisan republicans seem to annoint a new most liberal senator/rep/whatever. Kerry was the most liberal in 2004. Now Obama is in 2008. Quaint."
It (the story in the NJ) appeared to be an unbiased report based upon the voting records of members of Congress, naming liberal and conservative rankings. The report has a substantial history going back many years. I'm sorry if citing the original source for a story/fact wasn't up to your requirements for backing an opinion.
I never said that, I was pointing out that every 4 years there seems to be another dem being hailed/lambasted as the most liberal whatever. I find it quaint.
Oh I looked up Liberal Fascism and found that it was riddled with inaccuracies and glib reductions. I also couldn't find any scholarly publications that felt it was anything other than trash.
Try again Makz. This guy's a hack.
The breaking wave is always followed by an undertow. Obama is in danger of over-exposure and the inevitable backlash. "Dewey Defeats Truman!"
So many words to say .... nothing.
Dismissed, 'bot.
Wow the right wing nuts sure are verbose today.
Did you get a chance to see McCain on Letterman Thursday night. He looked like a deer in headlights when Letterman asked him about his friend the convict, G. Gordon Libby. Same "guilt by association" as the right wing nuts want to label Obama with Ayers.
Except, Libby was convicted on trying to rig (as in nefariously altering) another republican's, i.e., Nixon, election.
Isn't it strange for McCain to be a close friend of an ex-con who just happens to dabble in presidential elections?
McCain's close pal, G. Gordon Liddy, who advocates killing federal ATF agents with a "head shot" since they wear flak jacks, is perfectly okay with the Republicans. He's a Right Wing Terrorist. Since the Republicans have nothing positive to run on, they feel they have no choice but to lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. There is zero fiscal accountability. Zero accountability for sending our warriors into harm's way for no good reason in Iraq. McCain's campaign is a pathetic joke and Americans are sick of them.
"These comments are obviously bogus, but they appeal to an ignorant and dangerous segment of our society."
I think this point is well illustrated in the right-wing comments here. Clearly the righties choose to believe the lies and to help them stay alive. This is all a cloak for a more socially acceptable way to be racist. Don't hate Obama because he's black. Hate him because he loves terrorists!
OF course, you must be a racist if you point this out.
Obviously bogus? You must have some really heavy duty blinders on.
Besides the obvious concern about the qualifications of Obama, this election is about which way the country will go. Socialism(Democrats) or Capitalism(Republicans). Obama plans to give your hard earned tax dollars to 100 million American who do not have to pay taxes or do not have to file taxes. This is not a tax cut but a welfare cheque.
He does not want to give small or large businesses a tax break but wants to raise business and corporate taxes. This will never produce a single job.
He plans to give unions power similar to unions in Canada, which have destroyed Canada's auto and manufacturing industries. He wants to renegotiate the free trade agreements, because the unions with their ever increasing demands have made it harder for American corporations and small businesses to compete with global trading partners.
He wants to talk, with out any conditions to radical terrorists and dictators from Cuba, South America and Europe. He wants to jump into a new and prolonged war of 10, 15 or 25 years in Afghanistan, without any time frame or exit strategy.
Barack Hussein Obama is a lawyer with no historical perspective, but with great rhetoric and hype of hope and change. He is social worker; a Junior legislator of less than 2 years, who votes present 40% of the time and votes 100% along party lines. He or Biden do not have a record of change. No change, with zero accomplishments.
The Obamas financed their house from a convicted money launderer, has a racist preacher as his spiritual adviser, associates with an unrepentant Williams Ayers a 60's radical who admits to bombings of government buildings. His wife, until recently was not proud of America. Not the time for a four year equal opportunity on the job training program. Keep smiling"
McCain & Palin are both idiots. They're meant for each other. Who ever advised McCain to choose Palin as a running mate is a dope. McCain really thinks the american people are idiots & buy into his nonsense. The economy is in the tank & thats what most people are concerned with-not with an association Obama had 40 years ago.
I was a Republican until shortly after the start of the Iraq War. Then I started to get educated in what was going on behind the curtain the Bush administration had put up. In the last 7 years what I have discovered has made me sick to my stomach. Neo-conservatives under Bush and Cheney have lied , and spun this country into disaster after disaster, enriching themselves and their cronies at America's expense. If you do the research you will find that the "Bill Ayers" story is another "spun" Republican lie. Acorn is another Republican spin. If they were trying to fool everyone then why did they put the questionable forms together and present them to the registrar as questionable? They were not trying to hide anything. Get educated and get your news from many sources not just "Fox News" or "right wing hate radio" and fact check everything. If you do this you will change your Party like I did instead of following Republican lemmings of a cliff.
Lets face it........
Regardless of WHO wins we all loose in some fashion.The war on terror will go on probably as long as the war on drugs.The controversy in the white house will continue with both political parties causing all sorts of mayhem.The next president will be either a bitter failure or a great man but there is always those who will seek to undermine him and make whatever possibly great contributions to this country a failure.
It too bad that these so called servants elected by the people won't serve the people like they should.
Until you can actually back up those assertions Peter Clark with anything more than talk radio talking points, keep the spin to yourself.
Do you understand what socialism really is, versus what republicans say as a boogeyman?
Will Obama nationalize one industry, take over any means of production? Nuff said.
The beauty of being a lib is you teach and preach tolereance until someone disagrees with you.
"The beauty of being a lib is you teach and preach tolereance until someone disagrees with you."
It is not disagreement. It is combating lies. And personally, lib or not, I have little tolerance for racism and hatred, the benchmarks of the right wing perspective.
But you can go ahead and think of me as being from the non-patriotic part of the country. You know, California, where everyone hates America.
GOBAMA!
Here's a special treat for all you bleeding hearts out there: www.helpobamasbrother.org
If you look hard enough you can find something wrong about everybody...real or imagined. Of course, if you wanted to you could embellish what you find to any degree. It all depends how hard you want to work at it. I'm glad I was born and raised in Hawaii, the crossroads of the Pacific and pretty much the melting pot of the world. Our upbringing has us mixed in, and accepting of all races, cultures, and religions, etc., so we're not too critical about ethnicity or beliefs. We're more concerned about the facts of what people can do because of who they are, not what somebody else says about them.
Because of that, my OHA ballot will have a check mark in the PURDY for Molokai/Lanai box.
For those who will use any excuse, such as Barack is a terrorist, blah blah blah, be real with yourself and us and just admit you are not ready to see a man of color run this country. How can you have a real discussion without the truth? Why do some people think that not bringing up an issue makes it go away? It doesn't.
And conversely every poll I see says 98% of blacks are voting for Obama. That's not racism?
It's only fitting that McCain would blab nonstop about Joe the plumber since his campaign is making up a lot of sh--. That's what I call a dirty campaign.
"For those who will use any excuse, such as Barack is a terrorist, blah blah blah, be real with yourself and us and just admit you are not ready to see a man of color run this country."
The Democrat has been the party of racism since their southern forefathers owned slaves.
Sicking dogs and waterhoses on southern blacks = Democrat.
Lynching as punishment, without trial or rights? Democrat!
Denying them basic services or "eat-at-the-kitchen-door" racism = Democrat.
"Seperate but Equal" = Democrat
Jim Crow = Democrat!
Opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 = (esp Southern) Democrat.
Placing major "reforms" which destroyed the black family = Democrat.
It is an amazing mystery of the political universe that blacks vote (D) by the %s they do.
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"How can you have a real discussion without the truth? Why do some people think that not bringing up an issue makes it go away? It doesn't."
Stop lying to yourself and see the truth. Racism and violence against blacks is the history, soul and truth of the American Democrat Party.
9 out to 10 communist agree. Go Obama. Although they don't come out and say it. They want Obama too.
http://cpusa.org/article/articleview/907...
so much consternation & angst amongst the repubs! loss of wealth, loss of power, loss of relevance will make the old boys pout.
Nice skewed history. Last I checked the Republicans did the same exact thing. It wasn't a dem thing, it was the white American thing back in the day. Convenient how you pick up on slavery, and yet you understand so little of history.
The republican party only started shortly before the Civil War. Even still to pin slavery on the dems is skewed to say the least considering slavery antedated the democratic party by quite a bit in America. Oops, Washington had slaves, oops, Jefferson had slaves.
And do you honestly think that the republicans wanted to give former slaves full rights with the whites after the civil war? Even Lincoln didn't want to do that.
I seriously love how you hate the dems, but idolize the republicans as if they never did anything wrong.
Iran/Contra?
Watergate?
Prohibition?
McCarthyism?
Shooting down the ERA?
Credit Mobilier? (that's US Grant for you)
Tea Pot Dome scandal?
you want discrimination?
Anti-gay rights? Looks like you guys are too scared to step foot into the 21st century...even though certain high level members have been caught. Mark Foley/congressional pages?
Larry Craig/toe tapping fun in a public restroom?
the Katrina fiasco?
Keep in mind both parties are dirty. You just seem to never admit that republican do a lot wrong. No more/no less than the dems.
Nothing to rebut the institutional RACISM (the subject!) of the post before - noted! Flailing by da ferret for moral equivalence.
let's see:
"Convenient how you pick up on slavery, and yet you understand so little of history."
As you scatter all around the FACT of institutional RACISM of the Dems In Am. history. Run, "ferret", run!
Southern DEMOCRATS = racists nonparallel! Lynchers.
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"Oops, Washington had slaves, oops, Jefferson had slaves."
What part or relevance did they have in Lincoln's FREEING THE SLAVES?? None!
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"Iran/Contra?
Watergate?
Prohibition?
McCarthyism?
Shooting down the ERA?
Credit Mobilier? (that's US Grant for you)
Tea Pot Dome scandal?"
WAY off-subject = noted! "ferret" flailing = yep!
Iran/Contra = Democrats PROTECTING Ortega and the Sandinistas. Rushing forth "laws" to protect Ortega. Yep!
Watergate = All players did time. Will Raines, Johnson, Gorelick, Frank, Dodd et all do time for their much grander scamming of "The People"??
McCarthyism = lib-Ignorance and brainwashed vitriol noted. Venona Papers CLEAR McCarthy and name the Soviet-loving internal communists - including those NOT suspected at the time. Guess the lib-lies must live on....
Prohibition: The "Volstead Act," the popular name for the National Prohibition Act, passed Congress OVER PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON'S VETO (my caps) on October 28, 1919 and established the legal definition of intoxicating liquor[2] as well as providing for enforcement of Prohibition. ferret's ignorance and smears noted!
Foley: Cleared of all charges after having his life destroyed by the lib-smear machine. He committed NO CRIME, ims - but "ferret's "/liberal lies must live on.
Craig: Has he been convicted? Thought not! Seems you hate gays.
Katrina: Blanco / Nagin wait about 2 days - as their constituents flood the Superdome, to ask for Fed Help. State is first, Feds must be asked to help - Blanco waited too long in trying to USE HER PEOPLE TO EMBARRASS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. Blanco used the suffering of her own to attack the Bush Admin... Blanco wanted federal assets under her control, unprecedented reach of power - wasting time as storm and LA incompetence swamp her voters.
(WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN KATRINA AND IKE? A Republican Governor in Louisiana. For sure!)
Is, in a laughable reach by "da ferret", the scandals of the 1800s, lol, equivalent to the several-hundred years of southern-democrat embrace of SLAVERY and the brutalization of blacks??
(oh, yeah, i forgot = KKK, begun and built by southern Democrats)
The stain of slavery stays with the party which forced a Civil War, the (Southern) DEMOCRATS.
The ongoing stain of racism = belongs to those who race-bait STILL, DEMOCRATS.
Anyway, "ferret", all your research blown out as the democrat lies they are.
Ignorance and lib-moral equivalence noted!
Proved my point, republicans have halos and are evidently perfect, and somehow the dems are evil incarnate. Yep, keep reading Ann Coulter's trash.
"Proved my point, republicans have halos and are evidently perfect, and somehow the dems are evil incarnate. Yep, keep reading Ann Coulter's trash."
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Your point destroyed and in smoldering heap of moral equivalence, but da ferret's denial lives on. Face facts, you haven't can't make a case - other than moral equivalence, lol.
Not one rebuttal of fact presented. Noted and laughing.....
Ann Coulter's "trash" un-refuted and ferret debunked HARD. OUCH!!
KKK = Democrat!
Racism against blacks = Democrat!
Today's race-baiters = Democrat!
Gay hater = ferret!
John McCain wont he release his medical records. Is he hiding his cancer from the public? Sarah wont release hers either. What in the world is she hiding, aside from not having a brain?
We have a right to know the health of the candidates!
Also you really don't know history. How did Lincoln free the slaves??? Oh you mean the Emancipation Proclamation, which freed exactly 0 slaves in the Union. It only affected areas still under CSA control, which means... They weren't freed. Or do you mean the 13th Amendment, which actually did abolish slavery. But that was passed after Lincoln was dead. Also the whole slavery thing was a south thing, not a democrat thing. However the south was predominantly democrat, and slavery was evil, but the whole nation was implicated in it. So to look at "scandals" in the 1800s and attribute it to the present day is a classic example of a teleological argument smacking of a Whig interpretation of history. Your feeble attempt to hit the dems with slavery is pathetic. You never rebutted any of my claims or substantiated any of yours with source material, nor have you proved any point beyond your own rantings.
While we're at it, what about how the Republicans in their isolationist fervor gutted the military in the 1920s.
McCarthy wasn't cleared, the windbag was finally cut off. Don't act like the guy was a saint, he was leading a pointless witch hunt. Most of the Commies had been cleared out by Truman.
Seriously and saying the dems are responsible for over 300% of the wrongs of the country just proves how much of a partisan ideologue you are. BOTH parties have problems. Until you can even admit that NONE of your points could be accepted, because people will know you are just a hack for the republican party.
Actually there's a cottage industry that proves Ann Coulter lies, distorts, and has absolutely zero integrity when it comes to writing. Lie and the Liar who Tell Them has a whole section on her crap. Also I've found a cool website that talked about a chapter's endnotes and how misleading/wrong they are.
McCarthy was cleared by the KGB themselves. No rebuttal other than namecalling? Noted.
Another target-rich environment for me, as da ferret runs scampers his lib-cage? For sure!
Lincoln freed the slaves, even though he wasn't alive to see the 13th Amendment enacted. Democrats tried to re-enslave them (KKK, remember?) and were successful in failing degrees to 1964. Martin Luther King was a Republican - due to the racism the Democrat subjected his people to.
There is no doubt of historical, systematic Democrat racism, except for historical dead-enders like you.
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"Your feeble attempt to hit the dems with slavery is pathetic. You never rebutted any of my claims or substantiated any of yours with source material, nor have you proved any point beyond your own rantings. "
You never made any case at all other than moral equivalence and every unrelated subject you could drag out - par for your course. Why don't you just face yourself and the whipping you're undergoing.
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"Don't act like the guy was a saint"
I didn't say or indicate any such thing. Must be projection-by-desperation by your inability to argue.
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"Until you can even admit that NONE of your points could be accepted, because people will know you are just a hack for the republican party."
Ah, the cave-in by da ferret? Yep! No more moral equivalence or mistaken history you can't defend - for you to scare up? I see!
You have been thoroughly debunked and read now as used-up. You have become immensely boring and formulaic in your self-denial of the racism of Democrats for centuries and the race-baiting / race-warfare of today. In this debate, with you having nothing to offer, you can run from pillar-to-post by yourself, as you have for the last 3-4 of your posts.
You have lost!