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Democrats take a deep breath and dial back on rhetoric that could hurt all of them
Steve Marcus
The three major candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination share the stage — and lots of positions — during a debate Tuesday night at Cashman Center.
Wed, Jan 16, 2008 (2 a.m.)
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After weeks of increasingly sharp rhetoric about race and heated arguments about minor policy differences, the Democratic candidates used a televised Las Vegas debate Tuesday to stress civility, articulation and agreement.
As such, there was no clear victor among the candidates. But that’s not to say there were no winners.
Viewers were treated to a reasoned, substantive conversation about important issues, the sort of discussion serious voters often find lacking in political campaigns.
For the Democratic Party, the debate turned into a free two-hour advertisement for its ideas, even as the Republican race was thrown into more turmoil. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney won the Michigan primary Tuesday, a victory by a third different candidate in as many contests.
Nevada residents were also clear winners: They saw the candidates argue about killing Yucca Mountain and who would do it with more alacrity.
If there were losers, Tim Russert was among them. The NBC News veteran used his patented style of questioning: You once said this, now you say that. Will you renounce this? Will you renounce that? The purpose was to draw the candidates into conflict and provide sound bite moments. They declined to take the bait.
Voters trying to choose a favorite based on the issues got little help from the candidates, with Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and New York Sen. Hillary Clinton in apparent agreement on most subjects. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, however, did distance himself from the two front-runners on a handful of issues.
The softer tone of the evening likely flows from Clinton’s surprise New Hampshire triumph.
That victory came days after a sharp New Hampshire debate that often featured Clinton in disputes with Obama and Edwards.
In the days after, anecdotal evidence suggested that women resented the two men for attacking Clinton. Also, Obama was criticized for saying coolly to Clinton, “You’re likable enough” while looking down.
Clinton has had reasons of her own to cool the rhetoric. After her New Hampshire victory, she has less urgent need to try to drive up negative impressions of her opponents. Doing so could risk a backlash for being seen as too harsh, especially against two candidates regarded positively by much of the Democratic Party.
Some of Clinton’s supporters in recent days have made sometimes clumsy statements about Obama and his admitted teenage drug use, as well as other statements that seem to push stereotypes about black men.
When Obama and Clinton were pressed to talk about the racial issue at Tuesday’s debate, held on Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday, they blamed supporters and staff for being overzealous. They called for unity.
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The debate was not, however, an uninterrupted political lovefest. The three candidates occasionally faulted each other’s policy positions and -- at least obliquely -- questioned their opponents’ readiness for the presidency.
Clinton pointedly refused to acknowledge that she considers Obama and Edwards qualified to be president. “I think that’s up to the voters to decide,” Clinton responded.
Later, Clinton, trying to position herself as the candidate most ardently against the proposed nuclear waste dump at Yucca Mountain, pointed out that one of Obama’s biggest financial supporters is the Exelon Corp., an energy company that favors Yucca, and that Edwards voted for the dump while in the Senate.
Obama and Edwards responded with strong rebuttals.
“It’s a testimony to my commitment and opposition to Yucca Mountain that despite the fact that my state has more nuclear power plants than any other state in the country, I’ve never supported Yucca Mountain,” Obama said.
Edwards said “the science that has been revealed” since his two Senate votes has left him unalterably opposed to Yucca.
With just three candidates on the stage, the front-runners were able to conduct a detailed and articulate discussion of issues, including many important to Nevadans, including the economy, the foreclosure crisis, energy, the Iraq war and the Second Amendment.
Some highlights:
Edwards and Clinton expressed regret for voting for a 2001 bill that would have made it harder for people to clear away their debts when declaring bankruptcy. (Obama was not yet a U.S. senator at the time.) Though the bill did not pass Congress, it paved the way for a 2005 measure that became law. Obama and Clinton opposed the bill. (Edwards’ term had expired.)
Questioned about the economy, the candidates used the opportunity to talk about the subprime mortgage crisis, which has hit Nevada harder than any other state -- and, as Clinton noted, the black and Latino communities in particular.
All three candidates are in broad agreement: They support a moratorium on foreclosures and a freeze of rising mortgage interest rates to give homeowners time to convert to more affordable fixed-rate loans. They also propose a fund to help affected homeowners cope with the crisis.
Clinton is calling for a 90-day moratorium on foreclosures and a five-year rate freeze, both dependent on the voluntary cooperation of lenders.
By contrast, Edwards would effectively make those measures mandatory from the outset. He proposes protecting homeowners from foreclosures until their lenders offer assistance, and freezing interest rates for seven years.
Both Clinton and Edwards support some kind of reporting system to track the progress of lenders in converting subprime loans.
Obama has proposed a new tax credit on mortgage interest for people who do not itemize their deductions and cannot currently deduct their interest payments. He also supports a government fund to help victims of loan fraud.
All three support a change in bankruptcy law that would allow homeowners to renegotiate the terms of their mortgages.
On Iraq, Obama pledged to withdraw troops by the end of 2009 -- a promise Clinton and Edwards echoed. Still, Edwards sought to draw a distinction with his two main rivals, who have vowed to keep a small military presence in the country to guard the embassy and to maintain a strike force outside the country to respond to terrorist training camps.
“As long as you keep combat troops in Iraq,” Edwards said, “you continue the occupation. If you keep military bases in Iraq, you’re continuing the occupation. The occupation must end.”
As Clinton’s request, Obama promised to join her in bringing legislation that would forbid President Bush from making any agreements with the Iraqi government about continuing U.S. presence in Iraq beyond his term of office without congressional approval.
Even though the sponsors of the debate included black and Hispanic activist groups and it was billed as the “black and brown debate,” the discussion largely ignored issues important to those communities, including stagnating wages and minority health care, affordable rental housing and mass transit.
The genteel behavior onstage continued after the debate as Clinton addressed a crowd of about 1,200 at Desert Pines High School. “We are all Democrats,” she said. “We all believe in the power and possibility of America.”
Of the caucuses, Clinton said: “Bring your friends, family and neighbors. When people say, ‘I like all the candidates,’ say, ‘We do, too.’
“It’s great that we have this young man from the South who grew up in a mill town, an African-American who has so much to give our country, and we have a woman. This is good news for our country.”
Obama spoke to a group of SEIU workers at Paradise Cantina off the Strip. He made no reference to the debate and simply thanked supporters for their help. The union has endorsed Obama.
Edwards had no public appearance.
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Well, now it's officially black vs. white. Despite protests to the contrary, Obama has actively sought an opportunity to inject race into the 2008 campaign leading into the South Carolina primaries. He couldn't find it, so they first went with "fairy tale" being racist to describe one of Obama's positions. Hardly racist. Then his campaign picked up on Clinton’s MLK comment and misinterpreted it. He needed to trick and incite African Americans, while distancing himself enough personally so as not to be obvious to whites, Hispanics and others.
What a con man.
Obama needs to keep in mind, however, that if the race is held out as a reason to vote FOR someone, it must also be a valid reason to vote AGAINST someone. He can't have it both ways. I hope his disgusting race games ultimately crash his campaign.
Hillary has always opposed Yucca Mountain, Obama's campaign is funded by its backers. You decide.
The difference between Barack Obama and every other major candidate is that he makes me want to get involved more than ever in my adult life...not only through stirring rhetoric but through a proven history of APPLYING what he says he can do--bring divergent interests to the same table and use EITHER the CARROT or the STICK to hammer out common ground that affects real, common good change.
Even with funding from Yucca backers--the man's NOT going to kowtow to special interests...if you buy into Obama (as a corporation or as an individual), you are buying into the idea that even you, as a contributor, are NOT getting a free ride or special treatment...because Obama's campaign is LARGER than you. Larger than me. It's about ALL of us, finally...as Americans.
(I've had the advantage--and the pleasure--of reading the Audacity of Hope...not a pop-up book, that's for damned sure--great stories in here...something tells me Hillary was never the door to door guy Barack was in his Chicago days or Illinois senator days).
If you look at his track record...he STARTS with a high-minded idea, brings people of divergent interests to a table, and then sparks the process of real problem solving. Real progress. There's VERY little "built-in" entitlement in the guy...he's worked his BUTT off but doesn't club you with it...he's smarter than most of the people in the room and stays quiet about it...is both a student of history and of the Constitution and shares that with folks in a way that enlightens and unites rather than scare and divide.
What strikes me as most powerful in his candidacy is the one thing I'VE been hoping for in YEARS upon YEARS of lamenting Presidential politics...he makes me...makes other citizens...want to become INVOLVED and ENGAGED in the process. He's a President that I CAN finally believe in--one who can potentially enlighten a far greater majority of Americans to become involved in the process of government (and this will come later in the campaign)...at ALL levels....not just the Presidential one.
The American people have the chance to become DANGEROUS again...to an establishment that's become much more interested in retaining their power seats than actually SERVING the people they were elected to serve.
My generation didn't HAVE a John F. Kennedy. Nor did the generation that preceeded me or the one that follows. But we deserve one. We deserve our place in the forefront, holding the reigns and shaping the policy which defines America. The Boomers HAD their chance...and they gave us 30 years of having either a BUSH or a CLINTON in the White house (remember, Bush 1 was Reagan's VP). An uneven track record...but the nation survived, yes? It's a new time. A time for new leadership.
The "us" that is NOT a baby boomer or senior citizen.... has never had a JFK or a Bobby or a Martin Luther King.
Until now.
It's time. More specifically, it's OUR time.
Yes we can.
Denwa: the only one who is being coned is you. The Clintons and their surrogates were the first to bring up the race issue not Obama. Get your facts in order before you start throwing around baseless accusations. There is documented proof of the Clintons throwing the first punch. And what about Hillary playing the gender card? how pathetic. Crying in front of all those weak pathetic women in New Hampshire who fell for her game.
What a con woman.
sibk: The same funders who back barack also back Hillary. Now. You decide.
Washington is washington-people!
"We both have exuberant and sometimes uncontrollable supporters," Clinton said.
I heard this and did they Scooby-Doo, "HUUUHHH?" It's quite laughable that Billary said 'WE' in this sentence. Have any Obama surrogates said anything inappropriate??? Yeah, didn't think so.
On the other hand, Shrillary has had Bill "I was the first black president because I played the sax on Arsenio Hall" Clinton, Bob Kerrey, Billy Shaheen, smarmy Mark Penn, Bob "I loved playing smut on BET" Johnson, and Charles Rangel. They've ALL said something that had to go back and be "clarified" because their remarks were "misunderstood" or "taken out of context." This campaign has had to do so much backtracking, they might as well pre-empt comments and send out press releases correcting the comments before they get said! LOL
You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep and the things "supporters" say, and well Billary, you're minions have hijacked your campaign into the gutter.
Mainstream media wants to see Clinton versus McCain. They want someone who is predictable and fits within the establishment. Why are there all of a sudden lots of black special commentators? I thought race didn't matter! Unfortunately for much of the nation it still does. And all too often I hear from women that they're voting for Hillary because they'd like to see a woman president! I thought gender didn't matter! Unfortunately for many women it still does. The question is will it matter in Nevada? Will you and I set aside our prejudices and consider candidates on their merits, their character, upbringing, what they've done both good and bad, and whether they're a leader? I know its hard, easy to get caught up in the drama, but I beg you to take the time to get to know the candidates before making your decision. Our nation is at a pivotal time, a moment where the stakes are high, the United States is beginning to bleed badly, global warming threatens, the planet is being over run with people. We're going to have to work together to keep our future bright.
Usually when a truce is called it isn't to discuss peace. It usually results in further arming of opponents and it's usually the one losing that calls the truce for the purpose of further arming. Sooo much for truces.
Let's just say what everyone knows, and what Jack Hagerty on MSNBC said last night:
The Clintons were the ones who injected race and gender into this election.
Her campaign manager called Obama an "imaginary, hip, black friend,", sent out an e-mail that claimed he was a Muslim drug-dealer, Hillary made that stupid remark about MLK, which King's SON even said was offensive - and which Obama NEVER ONCE COMMENTED ON - HIS CAMPAIGN HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT RACE - NEVER. Clinton has been playing the "GENDER" card every since she lost in Iowa. Then they started playing the race card by subtly interjecting comments here and there in the hope that Obama would "take the bait" - which he DID NOT - black communities did - and justifiably. Good grief, Bill Clinton called him a "kid" and said he hadn't done enough "spadework"!
Obama was the FIRST to come out to call a truce: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/...
Clinton then COPIED HIM...HOURS LATER - because she would never try to unite anyone - only create division - that's what she does.
The Clintons, in addition to these racist games, tried to disinfranchise college voters in Iowa (because they were for Obama), now she's trying to keep the Culinary Union (who support Obama, 60,000 strong) from voting for Obama by being behind a lawsuit to keep them from taking part in the Nevada Caucus. The ENTIRE Democratic party said no to Michigan because of their moving the primary up - but Clinton finds a loophole and stays on (notice she lost the African-American vote there.
NOW...last night, Bill Clinton said the following to Union members in Nevada -
NOTE THAT THIS IS AFTER - AFTER the two of them called a truce on NOT BRINGING GENDER OR RACE INTO THE ELECTION:
"Hillary has an enormous amount of African American support and Barack Obama has a lot of white people for him," he said in Sparks.
Oh, but there's still not playing the race & gender card.
THE CLINTONS ARE DESPICABLE - and ANYONE who buys the story that Obama started this has NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION.
Someone needs to have the courage in the media to tell the truth.
Hillary is in this for herself.
Obama's honesty, integrity and thoughtfulness, energy, and vision is EXACTLY what this country needs right now.
Not another power-hungry dynasty in the White House.
We've had 15 years of that, and look where we are......
LET'S TURN THE PAGE NOW.
P.S. If the Democrats pick Hillary Clinton - the REPUBLICANS WILL WIN. She is NOT electable.
GUARANTEE IT.
Senator Barack Obama is the only one who can win.
Hillary "wins big" in Michigan, 55% to 40% over UNCOMMITTED! And in one county, she eked out a "win" over UNCOMMITTED, 49% to 47%.
Folks, HRC, Kucinich, and Gravel were on the ballot and she barely gets over 50%??? Thanks but no thanks!
Barack Obama does nothing to inspire me. He talks a lot about hope and uniting, but does not seem to have a plan to lead the country. Hillary Clinton seems to bring about more of the same blue state/red state divisiveness and Republicans can't wait to run against her.
John Edwards is the only candidate that has comprehensive plan to bring our country back together.
http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/
Go John Edwards!
If you get a chance, see John Edwards in person. He is in Reno today, Las Vegas tonight and Henderson tomorrow.
http://www.johnedwards.com/nevada/events...
The recap forgot to mention:
RUSSERT: Senator Obama, a difference in this campaign: You voted for the energy bill in July of 2005; Senator Clinton voted against it. We haven't built a nuclear power plant in this country for 30 years. There are now 17 companies that are planning to build 29 plants based on many of the protections that were provided in that bill, and incentives for licensee construction operating cost.
Did you realize, when you were voting for that energy bill, that it was going to create such a renaissance of nuclear power?
OBAMA: Well, the reason I voted for it was because it was the single largest investment in clean energy -- solar, wind, biodiesel -- that we had ever seen...And I think it is -- we talked about this earlier -- if we are going to deal with our dependence on foreign oil, then we're going to have to ramp up how we're producing energy here in the United States.
RUSSERT: Senator Clinton?
CLINTON: I think it's well accepted that the 2005 energy bill was the Dick Cheney lobbyist energy bill. It was written by lobbyists. It was championed by Dick Cheney. It wasn't just the green light that it gave to more nuclear power. It had enormous giveaways to the oil and gas industries.
It was so heavily tilted toward the special interests that many of us, at the time, said, you know, that's not going to move us on the path we need, which is toward clean, renewable green energy.
[We need to] Take the tax subsidies that were given in the 2005 [bill] that Dick Cheney wrote; take them away from the gas and oil industry. They don't need our tax dollars to make these enormous profits."
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ANYONE BUT OBAMA. He has no idea what he's doing, and I love Jimmy Carter, but we don't need another one in office. Actually, even Carter had more backbone.
Obama has nothing but his words, as he says. He doesn't have experience to know better himself, surrounding himself by more handlers. His words are taken by his preacher in Chi town. That's why he wants to be "the symbol". Not insprirational to me...........well, not for PRESIDENT of the United States.
We need real change and someone who wants to allow his Corporate donors to create policy is called fascism, when Corporations have control of our government. How is Obama different from what Bush has been doing. Oh, again, he talks and makes people FEEL GOOD about getting schtupt.
Come on people. Have any lessons been learned over these past 8 years?
The people need a fighter for them. We've had enough of this Corporate interst dominance.
And....why am I not hearing about the lie Obama told. He was all over the place claiming he had nothing to do with this fake story about Hillary talking about MLK and that it was disparaging to MLK or, even as Obama said, that it was racial. (why he injected race there, I have NO idea) And it's true, HIllary said a factual statement, not putting down MLK, and Obama's people WERE FEEDING THE STORY as Tim Russert mentioned with pages of emails.
We need more than symbolic change. We need Real Change on REAL ISSUES.
Edwards is keeping the promise of America!!!
Common ground on issues among the democrats will only help Obama. He is able to separate himself in other ways, as outlined at www.WhytheDemocratsWillWinIn2008.com
Boys and girls,
Millary cannot win in November. You may vote for her if you want, but she will not beat the republicans
In contrast to Obama, Hillary plays the race card
By Dick Morris
Posted: 01/16/08 06:51 PM [ET]
On the evening of Jan. 3, it became clear that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was going to be a serious candidate for president with a viable chance of winning. The Clintons decided that he was going, inevitably, to win a virtually unanimous vote from the black community. Their own reputation for support for civil rights would make no difference.
With a black candidate within striking distance of the White House, a coalescing of black voters behind his candidacy became inevitable.
Frustratingly for the Clintons, Obama had achieved this likely solidarity among black voters without, himself, summoning racial emotions. He had gone out of his way to avoid mentioning race — quite a contrast with Hillary, whose every speech talks about her becoming the first female president. But precisely to distinguish himself from the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of American politics, Obama resisted any racial appeal or even reference. His rhetoric, argumentation, and presentation was indistinguishable from a skilled white candidate’s.
So the Clintons faced a problem: With Obama winning the black vote, how were they to win a sufficient proportion of the white electorate to offset his advantage?
Not racists themselves, they decided, nonetheless, to play the race card in order to achieve the polarization of the white vote that they needed to offset that among blacks.
They embarked on a strategy of talking about race — mentioning Martin Luther King Jr., for example — and asking their surrogates to do so as well. They have succeeded in making an election that was about gender and age into one that is increasingly about race.
http://thehill.com/dick-morris/in-contra...
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UNION ENDORSEMENT IS HARASSING VOTERS INTO VOTING FOR HIM! SPREAD IT AROUND!
Culinary Union Intimidating Members to Vote for Obama
Reported from Las Vegas, Nevada
There's nothing dainty about Las Vegas but things are getting rough.
Intimidation. Pledges demanded. People to vote for Obama or stay away from the caucus.
Call this union vs. the casino workers.
I just did an interview with a Culinary union member who was intimidated while eating lunch in the cafeteria at work. She didn't want to give her name, but she wanted to tell her story. The connection is rough, but her story tells the tale. It's below in a podcast:
Culinary Union pressures members to vote for Obama.
Pamela over at Democratic Daily posted on a tip she received about the intimidation.
Jon Ralston talked about it this morning on MSNBC.
I just got off the phone with a unimpeachable source that there has been more than one confrontation between union reps and members.
This is not an indictment against unions, especially considering I joined my first union when I was in my teens, totally four eventually. Unions are the backbone of the middle class. But in every good group there lies opportunistic cretins. Obama's supporters are obviously applying Chicago style politics in Sin City and they've got three days to get the job done.
Meanwhile, you've got big shots like John Kerry talking about "let the people vote" doing so within a stacked system titled towards the Culinary union, with many of their members who'd much rather vote for someone other than Obama being intimidated and forced to sign pledge cards. Some will fight back, but most will not. From what I'm hearing, this is getting ugly. It's the opposite side, with the story actually being "make the people vote for me."
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view...
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While 58% of voters familiar with Hillary Clinton have a positive view of her, 41% give her negative marks, for a net favorability score of +17." TIME. Woo hoo, that's an impressive 17 favorability score!
Chameleon Clinton hasn't been able to keep her campaign strategy on track, all they've done is flip flop depending on the day of the week.
First, "I'm the inevitable candidate"
- then "I'm your girl" awwww...
- then attack dog on her rivals
- then "I'm hyper-experienced"
- then the likeability tour (still LOL...)
- then "I'm the change agent" ???
- then "we're BFFs with Magic Johnson and we're going to Iowa!" huh???
- then "look who I'm married to in case you've forgotten"
- then "I'm still the change agent--and Wes Clark and Madeline Albright show just how much change I offer!" ...deja vu all over again...
- then gender card/crocodile tears (the question was about how she looks so nice everyday...)
- then "we're BFFS with Bob "I promoted smut on BET" Johnson and we'll trot him out to SC to show how much we care about African-Americans"
- then "I'm eating in a taco shop so me and the Hispanic voters can be BFFs..."
Come on, HRC can't even be truthful to herself about who she really is. Yet voters are supposed to trust her...thanks but no thanks. Stay tuned for the next makeover of HRC...
RON PAUL IS AN AMERICAN'S AMERICAN
Out here where the people live, there is a great stirring. The old lies no longer work. The Welfare/Warfare State is tottering toward collapse and the bi-partisan political establishment that built its power on the ashes of the Constitution is afraid. It should be afraid, because Ron Paul is the embodiment of the original American idea: the founding concepts which propelled this nation into greatness. He is perhaps our last great chance to restore that which has been lost.
We must seize the moment for posterity's sake. Adherence to constitutional principles is the only cure to what is becoming a police state in the name of the war on terrorism. We need a man like Ron Paul now more then ever. He is a candidate all Americans can embrace as their role model for common values. His steadfast defense of the Constitution, his refusal to abandon principle for politics, and his down-to earth Christian family values make him an easy choice for President; he is truly an American's American.
What about the Father of Monica Lewinsky and her mother. Who did they called? What news paper did the parents of Monica went to?
How would you like Monica Lewinsky to be your daughter? How would you like Bill Clinton putting a cigar in her private part, and smoking it? We are talking about a married man. Would you like your wife or your husband to do that to you? Would you not divorce her or him?
And Clinton looking at the American people in the eyes and saying: “I did not have sexually relationship, with that woman". You call that popularity? Do you know how many people are today in American prison because of oral sex or lying to the grand jury?
Now I will ask this question: what is worse; lying to the grand jury or lying to the whole country? I don't understand how a person with normal memory and clear judgment will want to have another four of the Clintons in the White house.
We (democrats) are complaining today about Bush. Do you know who gave us Bush? It is Clinton. Al Gore lost the elections because of Clinton behavior in the white house. Now let reward the Clintons and send them back in the white house. My God are we all crazy or the idea to have a woman president is too romantic to resist?
Holyness the Clinton!!!
In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB for the Packers this coming Sunday. Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she became familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, and is now completely comfortable with other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move.
Does this sound idiotic and unbelievable to you? Well, Hillary Clinton makes the same claims as to why she is qualified to be President and 50% of democrats polled agreed. She has never run a City, County, or State.
When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the wh! ite house, Dick Morris stated "so has the pastry chef".
If you truly support Obama, then spread this article to everyone on your email list, on every blog, and to everyone everywhere. Let his record and his years of selfless service to the American dream speak for itself. Remember, we are only separated from every other person in the world by 6 people. Send it to every American you know. Truth will always trump lies, so don't be afraid. Stand for truth in these dark times and let's take our country back from the elites.
Time Magazine - Obama's Political Experience
Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2008
Obama's Varied Record
By AP/CHRISTOPHER WILLS
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/...
Please go caucus for Obama and tell everyone about Clintons and their record.
Anyone who wants to see the true Hillary, ask her or her supporters why she waffled after initially supporting NY GOV. Spitzer's plan to grant Drivers Licenses to illegal aliens in NY State; remember that terrible debate answer and then the aftermath in which she received a lot of negative airplay. The former President Bill Clinton asked the Governor to pull his plan so Hillary would not have to answer any more questions about it to get her off the hook. Look it up. That is the big supporter of Latinos.
Please call out Obama on his comments in the debate and check with any relatives or anyone else you know in Chicago to see if he has that kind of record there of saying anything to win the moment and move on with your vote to the next audience.
The Clintons record in the White House is they never stayed around to fight for us. They caved in on Affirmative Action and Welfare Reform, and most importantly, their Crime Bill that they brag put so many more officers on the street is also singularly responsible for a generation of historically high incarceration rates for black and brown people in this country. We also have the Clinton years to thank for the mandatory sentencing guidelines, eliminating the discretion of judges, and the disparity in sentencing between crack/cocaine sentences.
We Democrats mobilized to rally around them in 1998 and defend them from attacks, and that was entirely appropriate then. But they are the attackers now, attacking our Union and Obama just to make some kind of triumphant return to the White House; and we have to let them know that we love them but we need bolder, bigger cajones this time around. We need a homerun to sweep in majorities in both Houses of Congress with a message of hope and unity; and then we can claim a mandate to enact sweeping changes in legislation.
The truth that everyone reading this knows in his/her heart is that:
1. Any of our three Democratic candidates CAN win in November.
2. Only one could just as easily lose. (HRC is the only candidate with higher negative ratings than favorable one among all DEM and REP candidates)
3. And only one could win HUGE. (Obama has the biggest margin between favorable and negative ratings among all DEM and REP candidates)
We gotta go for it! This is why the female Senator McCaskill from MO and Gov. Napolitano from AZ along with Native American Sen. Nelson of Nebraska all endorsed Obama last week. No one wants the name Clinton on top of the ballot in their state, except the Republicans.
So please don't stay home. Everyone must go out Saturday and share your views with your neighbors. Go For It. And Ba-Rock the Vote!!!
JCJCD - stop spreading your propaganda videos on youtube!
You have been uploading hundreds of videos and have DISABLED the comments and ratings on them because you don't want users to post the reality on your videos!!!!
YOU ARE NOTHING BUT DIRTY! Your smearing tactics are very deceitful and we will get you REMOVED from YOUTUBE for your propaganda and dirty smearing attacks. You are as DIRTY as the party you're campaigning for, the Clintons.
SHAME ON YOU for posting hundreds of videos!! People are catching on to what the Clinton campaign has been up to... Smear campaigns and dirty attacks.
Everyone realizes how dirty the Clinton camp is. SHAME on you jcjcd! Everyone who's against his nasty actions and attacks, complain to YouTube and have jcjcd's videos removed! Be a man and allow people to be able to respond to your videos instead of hiding. You know the truth hurts and you just want to suppress the American people's say! Time to take action against jcjcd!!!