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FacebookMcCain chooses Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
Published Fri, Aug 29, 2008 (6:33 a.m.)
Updated Fri, Aug 29, 2008 (10:09 a.m.)
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- "Senator McCain has again proven that he has the experience and judgment this country needs in choosing Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his Vice Presidential candidate. Governor Palin's conservative reform credentials are rock solid and makes clear what we can expect from a McCain administration. I commend Sen. McCain for his choice."
John McCain tapped little-known Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his vice presidential running mate on Friday in a startling selection on the eve of the Republican National Convention.
Two senior campaign officials disclosed McCain's decision a few hours before the Republican presidential nominee-to-be and his newly-minted running mate appeared at a rally in swing-state Ohio.
Palin, like McCain, is a conservative with a maverick streak who has shown a willingness to clash with others in her own party. A self-styled hockey mom and political reformer, she has been governor of her state less than two years.
Palin's selection shocked numerous Republican officials.
At 44, Palin is a generation younger that Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, who is Barack Obama's running mate on the Democratic ticket.
She is three years Obama's junior, as well -- and McCain has made much in recent weeks of Obama's relative lack of experience in foreign policy and defense matters.
In making his pick, McCain passed over several more prominent prospects who had figured in speculation for months -- Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge among them.
Palin flew overnight to an airport in Ohio near Dayton, and even as she awaited her formal introduction, some aides said they had believed she was at home in Alaska.
She is a former mayor of Wasilla who became governor of her state in December, 2006 after ousting a governor of her own party in a primary and then dispatching a former governor in the general election.
More recently, she has come under the scrutiny of an investigation by the Republican-controlled legislature into the possibility that she ordered the dismissal of Alaska's public safety commissioner because he would not fire her former brother-in-law as a state trooper.
The timing of McCain's selection appeared designed to limit any political gain Obama yields from his own convention, which ended Thursday night with his nominating acceptance speech before an estimated 84,000 in Invesco Field in Colorado.
Public opinion polls show a close race between Obama and McCain, and with scarcely two months remaining until the election, neither contender can allow the other to jump out to a big post-convention lead.
McCain has had months to consider his choice, and has made it clear to reporters that one of his overriding goals was to avoid a situation like the one in 1988, when Dan Quayle was thrown into a national campaign with little preparation.
Palin has a long history of run-ins with the Alaska GOP hierarchy, giving her genuine maverick status and reformer credentials that could complement McCain's image.
Two years ago, she ousted the state's Republican incumbent governor, Frank Murkowski in the primary, despite having little money and little establishment backing.
She has also distanced herself from two senior Republican office-holders, sen. Ted Stevens and Rep. Don young. Both men are under federal corruption investigations.
She had earned stripes -- and enmity -- after Murkowski made her head of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. From that post, she exposed ethical violations by the state GOP chairman, also a fellow commissioner.
She and her husband Todd Palin, have five children. The latest, a baby, was born with Down syndrome.
Who? Lol!
You mean Sarah Palin, who was a part-time mayor of a town of 5400 two years ago?
Yeah, she's ready to be President when McCain's out of commission.
Give me a break.
Well at least there will be one conservative to look at at this liberal love fest!!!!!!! Plus think again if you think Biden the Plagisism King has the ability to run anything.
Let's see, a former State mining commissioner that resigned rather than serve on a board where another commissioner was doing shady deals. After complaining to the State Attorney General and the Governor, she resigned and ran against the Governor to reform the State. She won and started immediately. She built $5 billion dollar surplus in the State royalty fund and is returning that to the taxpayers of Alaska. I think we could use a FEW of her at least.
"You mean Sarah Palin, who was a part-time mayor of a town of 5400 two years ago?"
I think that combine with her governor experience makes her have more management experience than Obama.
Obama does have a lot experience.
He was a state senator for 7 years and a US senator for 4years. Before that he was a community organizor, a professor and a slum lord's lawyer.
I believe Obama has never manage a group of people that exceeds a dozen people.
"a group of people that exceeds a dozen people."
You obviously have no idea what a community organizer is, or what they do. Keep exhibiting your utter ignorance.
Can't wait for Biden to get ahold of this fresh meat. He's gonna eviscerate her.
No foreign policy experience, no national security experience.
I guess the Republicans just don't care about foreign policy or national security.
She has no experience! If John McCain thinks Barack Obama has no experience, how in the world does Sarah Palin have the experience to lead?
John McCain just shot himself in the foot! She's far too risky to be the Vice President of the United States! She doesn't have any foreign policy experience, or any national security experience! What would she possibly bring to the republican ticket, other than her gender? This is Dan Quayle all over again!
I think this was a desperate grab for the support of women, but she doesn't fit any of Hillary's positions. She's the exact opposite of Hillary! Good luck, McCain, yer gonna need it!
That was truly a dumb decision by McCain.
Palin's got solid conservative credentials, she's a protestant, no baggage, and she's a woman. On the surface, it's a good pick. But she's got limited experience (which goes against McCain's arguments that experience is required), comes from Alaska (half the population can't find Alaska on a map and they have only 3 electoral votes), and she's a woman with an 18 month old baby (along with 4 other children). How many misogynist, evangelical, conservative males are going to vote for a former beauty queen (when will those bathing suit pics hit the net?) with a baby, who's young and not bad looking, to potentially run the country when old man McCain kicks the bucket?
I think it's a limited view choice... McCain is not gaining many votes with this choice (real Hillary supporters are not going to choose an anti-choice, pro-capital punishment, pro-rape of the environment, no foreign policy experience candidate) and far right conservatives are now going to start freaking out about McCain's age and mental health.
The debates should be fun!!
Man this is rediculous. I just watched her speech. This is embarassing. What would she do about Putin or Ahmadinejad or Jong-il? I don't even think McCain was comfortable next to her.
Mike Huckabee wasn't even vetted, but she gets the nod? Mitt Romney? Pawlenty? I just can't believe this.
This pick makes Obama's pick of Biden look masterful (Clinton should have gotten the nod).
What does this pick mean for the Republican's chances this year?
If McCain falls ill, do we really expect Palin to lead us?
Does McCain really think that Clinton supporters will now vote for him because he picked a woman as a running mate?
I do think it is amazing how Palin has made her way to the Governor's office in Alaska and I think that she would best serve her constituents by staying there and continuing her reforms.
Let's see what this is really about:
Top issue for Republican's this election?
Drill,Drill,Drill
Those of us who understand how much influence that Big Oil has with McCain and his cronies, does this pick surprise any of us? Palin's husband works in the oil industry and she supports opening up ANWR, BIG TIME. This is shameless at best.
Game over.
Wait, FoxNews just called her an environmentalist because she supports more drilling as a solution. Retards.
A conservative mother of 5 who has faced the difficult decision of abortion as an option to a disabled infant. A woman who's husband doesn't run an oil company, but works getting oil out of the ground and out to the rest of us. A woman that took on the establishment over corruption inside her own party and bridged political parties to bring reform and return Billions to her taxpayers rather than spend it. She would be great in either place on the ticket, someone to lead and get us out of the political garbage that keeps regular Americans down.
Wow....Obama greatest managment experience is as community organizer. According to theBs...that is better than being a governor.
Good job Democrats....you sure pick the good ones.
Not sure what McCain was thinking here. If you wanted to go down the path of appealing to women, why not Kay Bailey Hutchison -- a senator with a long track record and respected on both sides of the aisle?
But Palin? Completely destroys the experience line of attack, for questionable gain. If you believe that Obama is too inexperienced to be president, as McCain has argued, how on earth can you be comfortable putting a half-term small state governor a heartbeat away from the presidency?
Finally - someone who has actually walked in many of our shoes and has the makings of a great national leader! Finally - someone who isn't ashamed to call out her colleagues for the slime that they are, and to see them criminally punished. Finally, someone with a brain who shows that she can go from 0-60 in a very short time and be successful in small, larger and now the largest government. Isn't it about time we had some FRESH blood in the government? It's painfully obvious the EXPERIENCED blood can't do anything right - Dem or Republican.
"Drill,Drill,Drill"
I guess you are saying that the Democrats and Obama...hate, hate, hate drilling.
Jfnance32, you have derided Obama's experience and McCain hired someone whose experience is minimal. Even if it was better than Obama's--at least he has been dealing with national issues as a senator, as opposed to the Alaska governor weighing whale blubber--doesn't this obliterate McCain's entire argument? He would hand the presidency to someone who has never dealt with these issues.
Furthermore, this is just a cynical effort to win over disaffected Hillary voters who probably wouldn't even have voted for Hillary, much less a Democratic nominee. Let's just see it for what it is, ok? An act of desperation by a man who had the courage to stand up to captors in Vietnam but hasn't shown an ounce of guts in dealing with loons in his party.
I think Kay Bailey Hutison or Condoleeza Rice would have been much better picks if he just wanted a woman who follows the GOP platform.
Sarah Palin was very unimpressive during her introductory speech. When I think of great leaders like Margaret Thatcher, Hillary Clinton or Condoleeza Rice, she does not seem to fit in with that crowd.
That Anonymous Guy is right. She is not even halfway through her first term as governor, though. She has as much experience as a governor as Jim Gibbons, and we all know what a failure he is.
And McCain looked very uncomfortable during her speech. It seemed like she may not have been his first choice.
I think Sarah Palin is the new Harriet Miers.
McCain's judgement is very questionable... and questionable judgement and a questionable temperment, backed up with no experience is too risky for the USA.
You are right.....Obama has a very strong...lol...4 years of dealing with national security issues or did he earn more national security experience being a slum lord lawyer.
LOL......I am having so much fun......
Obama has strong national security experience.....LOL
""Sarah Palin is smart, articulate, attractive, pro-life, and pro-gun, and was even a Buchananite in 1996. Her political career has been based on fighting Republican corruption. Her ratings as Alaska governor are very high. She has a compelling life story, as they say. Her husband is one-quarter Yupik Eskimo. They have five children, including one with Down's syndrome, whom they refused to abort. Palin will bring the whole Republican base home, and some Independent and Democratic women. Palin even blunts Hillary for 2012.""
The above quote from a commentator sums it up best.
Green: it was clear that Rove's intervention caused this. McCain wanted Lieberman, and only after Darth Rove stepped in to stop it was he saddled with Palin.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/080...
He let Rove and the GOP decide his own Veep pick.
This man is no maverick. He's being led around like a show pony on a very short leash, being told where to go, what to say and who to choose as a VP.
No wonder he was so crotchety with Jay Carney yesterday...
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/...
So you are admitting Palin has no foreign policy experience, or national security experience, jfnance32?
Thebs, I wouldn't be surprised by any of it. It would have been a truly maverick pick and thrown off the election because I think the GOP base might have stayed home, but he might have picked up conservative Democrats and Independents. Instead, as the public knows more about Palin, they will see how cynical this selection really was and how utterly unqualified she is.
Jfnance would be happy only if Republicans chose someone who made Barry Goldwater look like Ted Kennedy.
Palin's under investigation for allegedly abusing her office by pressing for the termination of a trooper who was divorcing her sister.
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/478090....
"The committee itself will not conduct the probe. Rather, it will hire an independent investigator to explore whether Palin, her family or members of her administration pressured Monegan to fire an Alaska state trooper involved in a rough divorce from Palin's sister."
"Monegan contends he did feel such pressure, and the question for the investigator will be whether Monegan might have lost his job for failing to dismiss trooper Mike Wooten."
"Palin has denied applying any pressure or otherwise abusing her power as governor."
18 months and already under investigation for abusing her office? Wow, that sounds familiar!
Ksand, you're comparison between Palin and Gibbons was freakin' psychic!
This was a great move by McCain, a strong female governor with 5 children will really round out his ticket. Sarah Palin will appeal to a lot of mothers and female swing voters who might have otherwise gone for Obama's pretty speeches.
The McCain Palin ticket will win by 5 to 10% in November. I wish there was a Vegas sportsbook that offered odds on this contest.
Ruptures already forming in the GOP, according to the WaPo. Romney and Pawlenty are steaming...
"Though it was high in shock value, the Palin pick left bruised feelings among the short-list contenders who were not picked -- and infuriated some Republican officials who privately said McCain had gone out on a limb, unnecessarily, without laying the groundwork for such an unknown. Two senior Republican officials close to Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty said they had both been rudely strung along and now "feel manipulated."
"They now know that they were used as decoys, well after McCain had decided not to pick them," one Republican involved in the process said.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-tra...
I heard that she also got the top convicted felon corrupt politician to help her buy a manison....
Opps...I am wrong about that....that is Obama...
I also heard that she took a speech that a British politican wrote and give and took credit for the speech themselves.
Opps...wrong again....that is Biden
She attended a church for over 20 years where Hamas has often put in the church bulletin anti-Israel ranks....oops wrong again that is Obama
Her spiritual mentor is strong anti-Israel advocate and says that the US government created AIDS to give to blacks and gives drugs to blacks....oops wrong again that is Obama
She has spoken of high praise of a domestic terrorist who says that he wish he bombed more police buildings...oops wrong again that is Obama
She has a brother that lives on a $1 a month and lives in a shack...oops wrong again that is Obama
She has called voters who do not vote for her as bitter folk that cling to guns and religion to deal with their problems....oops wrong again that is Obama
She changed name from Barry during college because she embraced militant black socialist liberation theology...oops wrong again that is Obama
She used cocaine.....oops wrong again that is Obama
To win her first office, she challenge all her opponents standing via the courts and by default won her seat....oops wrong again that is Obama.
She was the only one to vote against a bill that would have given legal human rights to babies born from a botch abortion...oops wrong again that is Obama
She wants to radically increase taxes on captial job creation investments....oops wrong again that is Obama
She is so naive to think that countries like Iran, Russia, China and Pakistan will destory their nukes and not hid them....oops wrong again that is Obama
She is so naive that she thinks Iran is not a serious threat to the US even though that country has sworn to destory the US and Israel and is working day and night to build nuclear weapons....oops wrong again that is Obama
She does not think that we really need to use the trillions of dollars of oil and gas that we have...she would be OK if the Republicans forced her to drill for it....oops wrong again that is Obama
She wants to radically increase the use of current solar technology that generates energy at 240% times the cost of current market price for energy which would double our power bills....oops wrong again that is Obama
She wants to give an extra $1.95 a day more in tax breaks than McCain to the middle class so that the middle class can buy cheesburgers....oops wrong again that is Obama
So your grand plan is to tell us you're wrong 17 times?
Nance, we already know! LOL!
Instead, you serve us one stinkin' pile of lies, half-truths, mischaracterizations, and Nance-ified statistics.
Again, I'll ask you, what the heck does "destory" mean?
But admitting you're wrong 17 times? That's the best gift you could give me.
A present on McCain's 72nd birthday? How thoughtful.
So tell us, Nance, what are Palin's qualifications on homeland security, national security and foreign relations?
Stop dodging your candidate and shed some light on her record.
It was reported today that Sarah Palin has three homes.
A main residence, where they live, and two vacation homes, which they list as "recreational."
I wish I could afford three houses.
How many houses does this make on the republican ticket now? 13? 12? I've lost count.
LOL, but with John McCain saying middle class is those making 4 million dollars a year, I guess Sarah Palin and her three homes are just like the rest of us!
Perhaps, Obama needs Rescko, the crooked corrupt convicted politican, to help him buy some more houses.
The crook help Obama buy one house. Why not some more?
And while he is at buying some houses.
He needs to buy one for his brother that is living in a shack and living on $1 a month.
If Obama is such an "expert" on foreign policy then why did he pick Biden?
Palin's overall qualifications are about the same as Obama's overall qualifications.
So if Palin is not qualified to be Vice-President than there is absolutely no way that Obama can be qualified as President.
There is no way that 4 fours as a very junior can remotely qualify one as an expert in any subject, much less an expert in complex subjects as a nation security or foreign policy.
He has demostrated that his is very naive on both topics. He said that Iran is not a serious threat to the USA. He had to later correct himself on that very boneheaded statement. He thinks he can have cozy talks with our enemies and that they can become our friends. He thinks that Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan will agree to destroy their nukes and not hide any.
According to your very own logic, Obama is not qualified to be President.
Let's see, Obama's been right about the Iraq war.
Right about Afghanistan.
Right about Pakistan.
Right about Russia.
Right about North Korea.
And McCain? Uh, wrong about Iraq (he said it was a success five years ago)
Wrong about Afghanistan (he is still weak on al Qaeda)
Wrong about Pakistan (he said it was naieve that Huckabee and Obama both said they'd attack al Qaeda in Afghanistan)
Wrong about Russia... one of his major campaign players is a lobbyist for Georgia
Wrong about North Korea (he didn't think diplomacy would work)
You continue to LIE about what Obama said about Iran. He said Iran today is not as much of a threat as the USSR was during the Cold War. Lest you forget, the USSR could have destroyed the earth several times over with nuclear weapons. Clearly, Iran does NOT have that kind of power.
But let's not stop ACTUAL WORDS preclude your lies and rhetoric.
Prove you didn't lie and quote the paragraph in which Obama said "Iran is not a serious threat to the USA."
You can't. And you won't.
So by my book, Obama's proven his national security and foreign policy credentials. Palin, the national-level neophyte, you have scampered away from like a dog with it's tail between it's legs.
The truth is, you don't even support McCain-Palin. Tell me how Palin is on the same level as Putin, like a previous poster asked.
Defend your candidate, or stop whining and lying.
Hey, what a suprise, Politifact says Nance can't tell the truth:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...
""Iran, Cuba, Venezuela -- these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union," Obama said. "They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying we're going to wipe you off the planet. And ultimately that direct engagement led to a series of measures that helped prevent nuclear war, and over time allowed the kind of opening that brought down the Berlin Wall. Now, that has to be the kind of approach that we take. You know, Iran, they spend one-one hundredth of what we spend on the military. If Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us, they wouldn't stand a chance. And we should use that position of strength that we have to be bold enough to go ahead and listen."
"We find the McCain ad, like the McCain speech before it, is grossly distorting Obama's remarks by suggesting that Obama was dismissing Iran as too small to be taken seriously as a threat. We find the claim in the McCain ad, like the McCain speech before it, to be False."
Jake Tapper agrees, Nance can't tell the truth... the claim is "dishonest."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/...
This is a dishonest representation of Obama's words.
That is not even close to Obama saying Iran is a "tiny" country that "doesn't pose a serious threat."
Not even close.
So tell us, Nance, how can you be so harsh on Obama, when Palin has ZERO foreign policy and national security experience?
I see you changed your agrument from actual experience to policy positions.
I take that as meaning that Obama does not have enough actual foreign policy or national security experience to be Presidenet if we used the standard being applied to Palin.
"Right about Afghanistan."
The theBS-Obama expert was in charge of sub-committee that oversee NATO actions in Afghanistan. NATO runs the military operations in that country. Mr. Obama expert never once held any meetings on this subject.
Also, he and other senators took a trip to the middle east before this election year. The senators planned to go Afghanistan. Obama skipped that part of the trip because he did not think that Afghanistan was important (excellent foreign policy and national security insight there).
In an election year, he wakes up and realizes that there is a country called, Afghanistan.
Obama gets an "F".
"Right about Pakistan."
The Mr. theBS-Obama expert announces to the whole world that he would attack into Pakistan soverign land without Pakistan's permission. I am sure that our shaky Pakistani government allies had warm fuzzy feelings when they heard that statement. What is scary is that I guess he forgot that this country is full of crazed Mulisms and it has nuclear weapons. Yes, lets push our allies away and weaken our friends in that government.
A Mr. Diplomacy that the Obama Pakistan expert has turned out to be. "Hey our dear Pakistan allies....screw you. I am trying to prove that I am tougher than McCain.".
Obama gets an "F" on Pakistan.
"Right about Russia."
Obama believes he can get the world, including Russia, to destroy their nukes. He also believes that somehow they will not hide some of them. He also believes that somehow we will have some mechanism to catch them hiding them.
Obama gets an big big "F" on that topic
Obama comparing Iran to the Soviet Union shows how naive he is about the Iranian threat.
Soviet Union mostly had rational thinkers in charge of their country.
Iran has a leader that is actual looking forward to the end of world. He beleives that is when his beloved Messiah will come back. Sometimes, he hints that he would be proud if he triggered this end of the world scenario.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...
Iran is no Soviet Union. Iran has nuts for its leaders. Leaders who believe that they are fighting for their god and nothing they do is wrong. They would be more than willing to sacrifice their own country. I am sure that they would consider that to be a great honor to do so.
Obama is naive.
Wow, when asked to provide anything for Palin, all you have is criticism for Obama.
That shows how fundamentally weak Palin is.
You can't back her up, you offer no defense, no arguments FOR Palin.
Geez, if I had known it was THAT easy to show how weak Palin is, I wouldn't have even said anything. You obviously know how weak she is... you're exhibit A for why Palin will be ridiculed by everyone, including those of her own party.
And now you run away from your own debunked statement about Obama and Iran?
Do you lie down when typing?
Cause all I see is a backbone made of jello.
Your defense of Palin is weak, ineffectual and riddled with utter lies about Obama's positions.
No wonder there's an enthusiasm gap on the right!
First, it was you who attack first.
Also, you should read my new posting on Iran.
Palin is a great choice for VP.
It is true that she, like Obama, does not have the excellent foreign policy and national security experience that McCain has.
As VP, she will get plenty of on-the-job training. Obama will get the same training except he will need to learn it much quicker.
She has done a great job in her management excutive positions. She is running organziation that is 1000x more larger than anyting that Obama has ran.
She and her husband have a blue collar background.
They come from a small town which is something we need in top leadership in DC. We need people in the White House who understand small town American.
As a mother and a lady, she will bring prespective that none of the other candidates can.
She fought the good-old-boy network in her state which means she has intergrity and courage.
Under her charge, the state is building a new natural gas pipeline to get make America energy independent
The state budget condition is one of the best in the country.
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Obama comparing Iran to the Soviet Union shows how naive he is about the Iranian threat.
Soviet Union mostly had rational thinkers in charge of their country.
Iran has a leader that is actual looking forward to the end of world. He beleives that is when his beloved Messiah will come back. Sometimes, he hints that he would be proud if he triggered this end of the world scenario.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/articl......
Iran is no Soviet Union. Iran has nuts for its leaders. Leaders who believe that they are fighting for their god and nothing they do is wrong. They would be more than willing to sacrifice their own country. I am sure that they would consider that to be a great honor to do so.
Obama is naive.
"So you are admitting Palin has no foreign policy experience, or national security experience, jfnance32?"
Yes, I am admitting that neither Palin nor Obama have an significant amount of foreign policy experience or national security experience. That is why Obama choose Biden to help him in that area.
Also, I am admitting that Palin has tons more executive managment experience in both the private and public world than Obama.
"Iran is no Soviet Union. "
So now you agree with Obama?
LOL, jfnance32. You are so confusing!
You criticize Obama for saying Iran is no Soviet Union, then you say, "Iran is no Soviet Union."
Are you ok? Has Sarah Palin as Vice President made you that crazy?
Obama said the Iran is a smaller threat than the Soviet Union.
I am saying that Iran is just as great of a threat but in a different way.
Obama is the crazy one.
One day he says that Iran is a much smaller than the Soviet Union. He said if Iran ever posed a serious threat then we would easily deal with it.
Now, he says they are a grave and serious threat.
I am glad he listens to McCain on this and oil drilling.
He must have listened to McCain on FISA, too.
Flip-flop Obama.....
THIS IS NOT FUNNY? IT'S A SICK JOKE RIGHT? McCain selects the former part-time Mayor of Wasilla Alaska as his running mate, (now Govenor of Alaska).
Perhaps other obvious choices scare him, rather lose than be upstaged? Perhaps he feels since Obama has no real experience, he should level the field with a running mate with even LESS experience.
For those of you who don't know Govenor Palin,let me say that as one who does ( I live part of the year in Wasilla area) I will tell you that she has managed to be the target of an investigation of her very own, for the abuse of her office. That is one of several floating around her. What a fatal blunder McCain has given the Repulican Party, Thanks John.
THIS IS NOT FUNNY? IT'S A SICK JOKE RIGHT? The Democrats select a three year junior senator.
Perhaps other obvious choices scared them. Could they even field with a candidate with LESS experience?
For those of you who don't know Obama, let me say that as one who does. I will tell you that he has managed to be involved with one of the most corrupt Chicago southside politicans by helping get his mansion and being his close friend and fundraiser. That is one of several floating rumors around Obama. What a fatal blunder the Democrats have done to the Democratic Party.
Thanks you, Democrats.
Hey nance, I've got a really maverick idea ..... why don't you DEFEND your candidate?
Or can't you defend your candidate?
"Obama said the Iran is a smaller threat than the Soviet Union."
"I am saying that Iran is just as great of a threat but in a different way."
Are you saying Iran can completely annihilate the United States within 20 minutes, as the Soviet Union could?
I did a post that encourages voting for Palin and gives the reasons why.
You should read it.
Scroll up....
"Are you saying Iran can completely annihilate the United States within 20 minutes, as the Soviet Union could?"
Nope, I did not say that. I said the threat was just as serious but in a different way.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...
Iranian leaders are nuts. They said often that they want to destroy the US and Israel.
The President of Iran says he is eagerly waiting for the end of the world so that his Messiah can return. Some believe that he wants to trigger WWIII to hasten the Messiah's return.
They have beliefs that they are at war with US and Israel and anything to harm us is completely justified in the eyes of Allah.
I think they would have no problem sacrificing their own country. They would think that is a honor to do so.
I am sure they would love to build a dozen or so nukes. Sneak them into Israel and US and pop them off one at a time and take our nation hostage.
Obama is very naive about the nuts that are running Iran. The Soviet Union had rational leaders that did not have Messiah end-of-world dreams.
That's not what I asked you, nance. I asked if you were able to defend your candidate - McCain.
Apparently no one who claims to be FOR him can seem to defend him.
I'm not surprised. It's 2000 & 2004 Republican Redux.
Yeah, let's rachet Nance's rhetoric down about 1000%.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/57346
"Here is the reality. Iran has an economy the size of Finland's and an annual defense budget of around $4.8 billion. It has not invaded a country since the late 18th century. The United States has a GDP that is 68 times larger and defense expenditures that are 110 times greater. Israel and every Arab country (except Syria and Iraq) are quietly or actively allied against Iran. And yet we are to believe that Tehran is about to overturn the international system and replace it with an Islamo-fascist order? What planet are we on?"
"The one time we seriously negotiated with Tehran was in the closing days of the war in Afghanistan, in order to create a new political order in the country. Bush's representative to the Bonn conference, James Dobbins, says that "the Iranians were very professional, straightforward, reliable and helpful. They were also critical to our success. They persuaded the Northern Alliance to make the final concessions that we asked for." Dobbins says the Iranians made overtures to have better relations with the United States through him and others in 2001 and later, but got no reply. Even after the Axis of Evil speech, he recalls, they offered to cooperate in Afghanistan. Dobbins took the proposal to a principals meeting in Washington only to have it met with dead silence. The then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, he says, "looked down and rustled his papers." No reply was ever sent back to the Iranians. Why bother? They're mad."
"Last year, the Princeton scholar, Bernard Lewis, a close adviser to Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, wrote an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal predicting that on Aug. 22, 2006, President Ahmadinejad was going to end the world. The date, he explained, "is the night when many Muslims commemorate the night flight of the Prophet Muhammad on the winged horse Buraq, first to 'the farthest mosque,' usually identified with Jerusalem, and then to heaven and back. This might well be deemed an appropriate date for the apocalyptic ending of Israel and if necessary of the world" (my emphasis). This would all be funny if it weren't so dangerous."
The FACTS are that you don't understand the threat posed by Iran, Nance. That's blatantly obvious. That you would choose to actively distort Obama's own words, then cowardly backpedal? That's your modus operandi.
Obama/Biden is far, far superior to McCain/Palin when it comes to national security and foreign policy.
"Iranian leaders are nuts. They said often that they want to destroy the US and Israel."
And I want a solid gold toilet in my master bathroom.
I don't care what that idiot Ahmadinejad wants or not. I care about what he can do right now. Can he and the Iranians destroy the United States and Israel, or not?
The Soviet Union had 10,000-plus nuclear warheads, mounted on ICBMs capable of reaching the US mainland in less than 30 minutes.
In order to pose the same existential threat to the United States, Iran must first:
1) Develop a missile capable of reaching the United States;
2) Develop nuclear capability;
3) Develop the ability to miniaturize nuclear warheads to the point where they can be mounted on an ICBM capable of reaching the United States; and,
4) Repeat a few thousand times.
The USSR could annihilate us in an afternoon. Iran cannot.
The news article topic is on Palin.
I often have given reasons for voting for McCain.
Here are just a few:
1) The world is a very dangerous place. We need strong leadership that understands the world and who is willing to make the tough correct decisions. His surge plan has won the war in Iraq and will allow us to bring home our troops.
2) McCain has a pro-growth plan. He will increase the incentives for capital job creation investments. We need jobs. Obama offers an extra $1.95 per day in tax cuts for the middle class. McCain wants to use that money to invest in captial to create jobs.
3) McCain has stated a goal of balancing the budget by spending cuts. Obama promises at least $400 billion deficts and some are predicting that he has so many unfunded promises that he might be the first trillion dollar deficit president.
4) McCain will appoint good judges to the court system.
5) McCain has a good energy plan. His long term plan includes investments in renewables like solar, wind and electric car. He also wants to use cheap coal and nuclear power. Hee wants to use the trillions in dollars of oil and gas that we have in the US. It would be foolish to send trillions in cash to other countries when we have the resources here.
"Can he and the Iranians destroy the United States and Israel, or not?"
Probably not now..this very second....
In about 5 to 10 years, they could build enough nuclear weapons to destroy Israel. They could build enough to destroy a dozen or so major US cities.
They do not need to have missiles to deliver nukes. Iran could sneak them into any country.
I guess you are saying that if Iran can not destroy every US city then they are not as serious a threat as the Soviet Union.
I think losing a dozen of so major US cities will be a serious blow to our country and would most like trigger a world war and/or a severe worldwide economic despression.
I guess your theory is that a loss of a dozen or so cities is not that big of a deal.
You and Obama can have your own opinion. It is a free world.
I would rather have McCain than the naive Obama to deal with Iran.
In what way has Sarah Palin exhibited foreign policy knowledge that would allow you to say she would have "strong leadership that understands the world and who is willing to make the tough correct decisions?"
What happens if something happens to John McCain and Sarah Palin takes over the United States government?
You are saying she is ready to make those kinds of decisions? Why do you think that?
While Barack Obama has shown the judgement and foresight necessary to lead this nation, and has shown a keen understanding of the international problems we face, Sarah Palin has offered... nothing.
A few years as a mayor of a tiny town and 18 months being the governor of Alaska. She has not shown any good foreign policy judgements or national security judgements, but Obama has.
McCain is 72 years old, the likelihood of his Vice President taking over is much, much higher than with any normal President.
I guess that is a risk you want to take?
"What happens if something happens to John McCain and Sarah Palin takes over the United States government?
You are saying she is ready to make those kinds of decisions? Why do you think that?"
That why is it so totally scary that a 3 year junior senator might be immediately president.
I definitely do not want to take that risk...we will be totally screw with that rookie in office.
At least Palin will get some experience before that day might arrive.
Woooooooo.....junior 3 year senator....scary scary scary .
I think this is Harriet Miers all over again, She will probably drop out before the debates.
John McCain should have picked someone like Mitt Romney. With this awful choice, I think it is clear Barack Obama has the judgement to lead, while John McCain has the judgement to fail.
Great choice!
All you Obama disciples can pan this pick as much as you'd like, but you are all going to be in for a rude awakening come November. No matter how much Kool Aid you drink, there is no way your "Chosen One" is going to get elected. Not gonna happen!!!
1) blah blah blah TALKING POINTS blah blah blah
So now it's McCain's "surge plan"? And how exactly has it "worked"?
2) More talking points ... He will increase the incentives for capital job creation investments.
I have asked you many, many times to please explain what this means. You have yet to do so. All you do is repeat the talking points. Kind of like a parrot.
We need jobs. Obama offers an extra $1.95 per day in tax cuts for the middle class. McCain wants to use that money to invest in captial to create jobs.
So McCain's NOT going to give the middle class a tax cut. Instead he's going to give it to his wealthy cohorts who are then going to promptly shift that "capital" OFFSHORE. Great plan. (/sarcasm off) Undergod but you are naive.
3) Still more talking points.
It has been pointed out to you REPEATEDLY that McCain's plans will INCREASE the deficit over what Obama's plans are. I can see you sitting there with your hands over your ears: "I'M NOT LISTENING I'M NOT LISTENING NYAHH NYAHH".
4) McCain will appoint good judges to the court system.
Explain this please because near as I can tell he's a Republican, pretty much the same as we've had for entirely too long now. And the current Republican has ALREADY stacked the courts in favor of the far right.
5) Energy plan talking points.
Bbbbbbuttttt .... haven't you REPEATEDLY said that solar, wind and electric are TOO EXPENSIVE?!?!?! But now you agree with it?
YOU claim we have "trillions of dollars in oil and gas" but SCIENCE doesn't happen to agree with you, at least on the oil part. Again, you're sitting there with your hands over your ears like a four-year-old.
Seriously, nance; instead of parrotting the BS, why not tell us in your very own words why you are so enamored with exactly the same thing we've had since 01/2001?
Or can you?
1. John McCain constantly OVERESTIMATES the threat of Iran and UNDERESTIMATES the threat of al Qaeda. He seeks to bomb Iran, while he thinks attacking al Qaeda is "naieve" and indicative of "lacking the military experience to lead." Clearly, he does not think al Qaeda is a threat, and is repeating George Bush's mistakes. He'd rather start another war with a soverign nation and drive up the price of oil than FINISH the war that Bush can't seem to get right. Strong leadership that understands the world? Is that why he was so trigger-happy with Russia?
2. It's laughable and indicative of your failed understanding of economic policies that you would willingly believe John McCain's planned $5 trillion national debt is "pro-growth." And while Barack Obama is promising tax breaks for small businesses, entrepreneurs and 95% of all working families, McCain's health care coverage scheme wants to simultaneously remove the corporate tax credit for providing health insurance while making health care benefits taxable for everyone. In effect, he's creating taxes on everyone that weren't there before. Not only do we need more jobs, but those jobs need to pay better. Inflation is high, the price of food and gas is rising, and McCain's plan will result in less money in the pocket of working people. It's truly sad that you would laugh when the middle class is offered $800 more a year... the price of 213 gallons of gas.
3. McCain's goal is not reflected in his policies, which indicate his fiscal policy will result in a $5 trillion national debt, the largest in the history of the United States. You've failed on this point for weeks now. You seek to elect a president who just wants to borrow more money from China and Dubai to finance Bush's failed policies. You support borrowing more money, piling on more debt than any other time in our nation's history. Even though the Bush fiscal policies have failed miserably, you still sit there, pom-poms in the air, cheering obliviously to the destruction of Bush's policies, and would gladly elect someone who thinks we should continue in the same manner, the same direction, full-steam ahead.
4. McCain will follow in Bush's footsteps, and appoint rigid idealogues and cronys, rather than those who are fit for the position. And when given the most important choice during this entire campaign, a running-mate with which to tackle the most pressing issues of the day, and he chooses... a neophyte with no national exposure or national experience. From the never-ending carosel of his campaign team to his many many Republican colleagues in the Senate who say he lacks the temperment to be President, this is the weakest argument you have.
5. McCain's plan will continue to undermine true progress in renewable energies by remaining steadfastly dependent on dirty technologies. He talks a big game, but voted against renewable energy tax credits. In 2005, he cast the deciding vote which cut the rural Renewable Energy and Energy Efficiency program funding from $23 million to $3 million. He's voted multiple times against the extension of renewable production tax credits. In fact, Newsweek reported, "But, in fact, his energy plan doesn't specify any new federal spending for renewable energy and says only that he'd "rationalize" existing tax credits to provide incentives. In the past, however, he's opposed extending such tax credits when paid for by tax increases elsewhere."
Your talking points are absolutely debunked, Nance.
Guys let them think they did the right thing ok ;)
First off she has MOST of her experience as MAYOR of a town of what 6,000-7,000 people??
She also got elected to her recent governor post by being a narc about something most of them knew was going on.
Thats not leadership thats just someone working the system to get elected.
I DO NOT count any of the time she was a mayor of a town as experience otherwise we have a town of mayors of little bitty towns all over our country who are ready to lead the free world.
So she has less than 2 years experience as a??
Governor?? or a part time Governor/Soccer Mom?
Its quite obvious this pick was to manipulate the women vote and thats it. A Carl Rove kind of thing to do.
Which means McCain is not the leader of whats going on behind the scenes. Is that the kind of president we want?? who gets told by the ultra right who to pick and what to do???
Back to this Sarah Soccer Mom... Ok Hockey Mom.... What in anyones right mind does this women have even being considered for the #2 of leading this nation with 300,000,000+ people???
None Zlitch ZERO!!!
At least we can say Obama HAS met with WORLD LEADERS. He Has NATIONAL experience and MORE experience dealing with just about anything when in comparision to this Mother of 5.
Sorry but this pick for VP is so far out there that you cant even see where it coming from with the hubble telescope!!
Honestly I thank you Carl Rove for being so cocky and thinking that you could use Women the way you USED Gays to get a president elected.
The tactics are known and out dated the American people see through this sharade of a nomination with Eagle like clarity.
WooHOOO!!! yes WOOOHOOO!!!
Change is COMING!!! thanks to the arrogance of the repubilican croonies.
This thread is a classic. It's so funny watching Nance, who obviously knows this is a horrible pick, try and divert the conversation away from the topic at hand and onto such superficials as Rezko...
Good job McCain!
Republicans, let the Democrats think they did the right thing ok ;)
First off Obama has MOST of his experience is as a college professor (whooohoooo).
Second, he won his first seat by going to court and getting all his opponents kicked off the ballot.
That’s not leadership that’s just someone working the system to get elected.
I DO NOT count any of the time he was a college professor experience otherwise we have college professors all over our country who are ready to lead the free world.
So he has less than 3 years experience as a??
Senator?? or a part time Senator/Full Time Campaigner?
It’s quite obvious this pick was to try to an extreme liberal elected in year where Democrats are heavily favored.
This means the Democrats are just plain nuts. Again, the Democrats pick the worst candidate possible. They love to shoot themselves in the foot.
Back to Professor Obama, who in their right mind would vote for this rookie that has very little experience to be considered to lead this nation with 300,000,000+ people???
None Zilch ZERO!!!
At least we can say McCain HAS met with WORLD LEADERS. He Has NATIONAL experience and MORE experience dealing with just about anything when in comparison to the Professor Obama.
Sorry but this presidential nomination is so far out there that you can’t even see where it coming from with the Hubble telescope!!
Honestly I thank you the Democrats for being so cocky and thinking that Americans would just automatically elect a Democrat this year.
Change is COMING!!! Thanks to the arrogance of the dumb Democrats who every four years seem to pick the worst candidate possible.
LOL thats the best you can do is be a parrot like your man???
lol!!!
Sorry but enough is ENOUGH!!
Time for change get used to it.
I mean I have heard people Lose their Mind when they get older...BUT...
I didnt know it happened on their 72nd birthday ;) until today.
hehe....
OH and one more thing there mr nance.
Take a good look up there on this page towards the top right. ; )
>>> that way and ^^^^^^^
ok see that blue box?? with our next president in it???
go ahead and register you know its the right thing todo!!
cya later and people have fun with this one hes got no life and probably spending all his time in his mothers basement trolling 25 different forums trying to defend the sheer inept 'brillance' of his party. : D
This is so much fun.
OH and just in case you cannot find it here. : )
http://www.barackobama.com
oh i just cant help it ; )
heres some info about a certain someone helping people in his state get back over 100 million : D
"In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases."
As an Independent, I think this was a reckless and risky choice. Obama has 11 years experience in the State Senate (7 yrs) and US Senate (4 yrs), the debate is over. But putting all this experience aside, the question remains who has the judgment to be Commander in Chief? Obama had the judgment to vote against the Iraq war, he voted to put more troops in Afghanistan to fight the central war on terror, he voted to keep missiles out of the hands of terrorists, and he selected the most qualified VP to assist him on these major foreign policy issues, Joe Biden with 35 years in the US Senate and the Chairman of the Foreign Relations