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By Jon Ralston
Published Tuesday, Jan. 15, 2008 | 7:57 a.m.
Updated Thursday, Oct. 30, 2008 | 2:14 p.m.
No more dot-connecting: Just straight out accusations that her campaign filed the lawsuit.
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Jon, I understood you to say that some of the plaintiffs in the law suit are Edwards supporters. What is the truth?
Good on her Bod! I hope she wins: the lawsuit and the elections. She is the best candidate by far.
LOL I guess this is the tactic Obama says he does not engage in. Looks like typical Chicago politics. Union intimidation, Voter Fraud and politics of destruction. Wake up and smell what Obama is shoveling.
Look the culinary Union is looking more and more like thugs all the time. Not even the other unions supporting obama think they should have polls at their workplace. If constitutional rights are being violated, the at large precincts should be shut down.
Well of course the Clintons filed the lawsuit!! Who stands to benefit if the Culiniary Union is denied the vote??? Caucus for Obama!
Claiming that Clinton benefits from this is laughable. Half the members of the Culinary support Clinton. Oh wait you forgot that the union boss never polled its members to see who they wanted to support. Now they want to intimidate their members to do what they say. This does not strike you as uterly undemocratic?
Amazing how blind people are. This is a Union vs Union turf battle and has nothing to do with Clinton.
Okay, *all* the campaigns agreed to these caucus sites back in the spring--3 of the plaintiffs, who happen to be Clinton Camp affiliated, were at the meeting, right?
Folks, this is sour grapes at its finest. Waaahhh, we didn't get the Culinary Union endorsement so even though we're going to look like idiots because we were at that meeting, let's file the lawsuit anyway. If HRC had any integrity, she'd repudiate this lawsuit and tell her minions to yank it. But HRC and integrity don't quite go together...
I think it's great that Clinton or her supporters did this. It's completely unfair otherwise and the entire caucus favors Obama.
How unfair that so many voters are displaced in this ridiculous attempt to favor one particular candidate.
All voters should have an equal opportunity to vote the same way. If someone is willing to stand up for the equal right to vote, they will get mine.
I SAY THE ELECTORIAL COLLEGE SHOULD BE BANNED!Then we would have our individual votes counted and the presidential candidates would be chosen by the PEOPLE!
Sloppy reporting , Jon.
I can't seen "a straight out accusations that her campaign filed the lawsuit." anywhere on this flier.
They mention "backers of Hillary Clinton" and "supporters of Hillary Clinton" not her campaign.They also mention Hillary Clinton's reaction to the lawsuit. We in fact tknow that neither she nor Bill Clinton expressed disapproval.They in fact defended the lawsuit.
So what's your problem?
Why am i not surprised the Clintons are behind this move. They're trying to make a deliberate effort to suppress minority turn out for Obama: its a slap in the face to black and latino voters. This is the reason why voters are cynical about the voting process. But voters are much smarter than the Clintons and their supporters think.
I used to like the Clintons in spite of clinton's cigar in side Monica! Now I am so disgusted with what the clintons are doing in Nevada so that I won't vote for Hillary even if she gets the nomination!
The Clintons have been a divisive force in this country just like the Bush's.Our country has been divided for more than 20 years and there has not been an improvment in our economic well being as a country, nor has our standing in the world been one to be proud of.First Bush brought us deceit, lies and cover ups ie. Iran Contra when he was V.P. and continued through his first term as Pres. as well as divisiness.
Clinton brought us more lies, deceit, coverups as well as divisiveness.
Second Bush brought us more lies, deceit, coverups and divisiness.
My question to all of you, is this what we want to continue? If we put another Clinton in the White House, the odds are a sure thing that the lies, deceit and coverups will continue.
Do you think this is what our country really needs?Or do you think that perhaps it is time we elect the person that can unify our country and get us back on a path to healing?
I for one feel that Senator Obama is the only real good choice for us to pick in getting our country back on the right path. I do hope that you will join me and others in supporting him and caucus for him Saturday.Thank You.
I dont see the big deal in letting the Janitors just Caucus where they are working while they are working that night. It would follow the same thinking as the workers on the strip.
I have been to a caucus, and it takes like an hour. Its not like it is going to overly influence the caucus. I mean they wouldnt have more then 2 or 3 janitors on at night while the caucus is on.
I think the lawsuit is total BS and sour grapes by the Teachers Assoc, but I dont know why the DMC wont just let the Janitors caucus that night where they are working. Then the friviless Lawsuit would have no merit at all to stand on.
I wonder how people from the union could possibly caucus for Clinton in public if the members who support Obama for the Union, who are also in the room with them, and will report back to the Union who was with them and who wasnt. I would think that theywouldnt want to risk losing their jobs?
I don't see the big deal in letting the janitors caucus where they work either but why didn't the teachers union take care of this last year like the culinary union did. All candidates, state party and DNC all agreed to these sites last March. I just need to say that we should be very worried about a candidate that would disenfranchise voters. It has the terrible feel of the 2000 and 2004 election. Our country will only be stronger by having more people involved in this process.
The lawsuit filed by Clinton allies in Nevada against planned "at-large" caucusing Jan. 19 on the Las Vegas Strip is beginning to look a lot like voter suppression. As we know, the plan was drawn up and approved unanimously early last year by the Nevada Democratic Party leadership, with input from the presidential campaigns, to enable caucusing by Strip workers unable to leave work to caucus in their home precincts. Indeed the plan's creators include several of those who are now plaintiffs against it. What changed their minds? Barack Obama's endorsement Jan.9 by the 60,000-member Las Vegas Culinary Workers' Union changed their minds. When the plan was approved, Hillary Clinton was presumed to be the "inevitable" Democratic frontrunner. Iowa changed all that, and Obama's subsequent endorsement by the culinary workers has brought a Clinton win in Nevada into serious question. Since it is largely members of this union who would be caucusing in the casinos, the plan is clearly no longer in Clinton's best interests. Hence the lawsuit against the plan, filed just two days after the Obama endorsement and scarcely a week before the caucus by Clinton allies from the leadership of the Nevada State Education Association (NSEA), on the grounds that it would be unfair to workers in other areas. Why didn't they think it was unfair earlier? After all, the plan was approved nearly a year ago in the very name of fairness, to enable participation by those who would otherwise be unable to caucus. The answer is simple: Because the lawsuit has nothing whatsoever to do with fairness, and everything to do with stacking the deck in favor of Hillary Clinton. The Clintons themselves are not official parties to the suit, but both Hillary and Bill Clinton have spoken in support of it despite the fact that their campaign and others were included in the at-large caucus plan from its inception. They, like their friends in the NSEA, have had more than ample time to consider and reconsider the plan, but appear to have deemed it unfair only since the culinary workers endorsed Obama. While the judge in this case obviously has every reason in the world to throw it out of court, I don't expect that even if it prevails the culinary workers will allow it to prevent their members' caucusing. In fact I wouldn't be at all surprised to see chartered buses from the union shuttling members between the Strip and their home precincts to caucus, a lot of pressure on Strip employers to comply, and a lot of anger at the Clintons and their allies for this seedy attempt to change the rules at the last minute. The whole affair seems likely indeed to do the Clintons far more harm than good in Nevada; and as we know, what happens in Vegas doesn't always stay in Vegas.
Hillary Clinton is morphing into George W Bush more and more every day ! I would think all good democrats would be offended by the seedy, hypocritical tactics being used by Clinton EtAl.Moreover, It is this Bloggers opinion, that if the Clintons continue upon this this road of exclusion,Deomocrats will stay home, and allow the Republican candidate to win.
There is no way, Ever, I will vote for Clinton, even to save the USSC! If I feel this way, you can be assured, others do as well.
With that said, the entire country is watching what is happening here in Nevada,Where is our Nevada pride?
So, let me get this straight. The very same people who participated in designing a caucus system to accommodate hotel and casino workers are now saying the system is unfair because there aren't similar accommodations for custodians at the schools holding caucuses. Their solution is to shut down the "at large" caucus sites on the strip. Am I missing something? The rules allow anyone to participated in a caucus at any caucus site, even if they go to the wrong one. So the custodians can freely caucus at their places of employment if they desire. Moreover, if the caucus system is unfair, it is not as to custodians -- it is to people who cannot leave their homes because they are disabled or ill. Where is the outcry from the Hillary supporters about that unfairness? Caucuses by their nature leave people out, but that is the system and the rules we Democrats agreed to. It took an endorsement of Barack Obama by the Culinary Workers Union for this group from the Clinton camp to run to the Federal Courthouse fully 7 months after the plan was approved at a meeting those very people attended! The lawsuit reflects badly on the Democratic Party, on the Clinton campaign and especially on those who are bringing the suit. It is intellectually dishonest for the Sun Editorial Board and for Bill Clinton to defend this maneuver, a tactic one would expect from Carl Rove, not Nevada Democrats.
The Culinary Union is out of control. First the suit was filed by EDWARDS supporters. Why would the Edwards camp want to help Hillary?
Why does the Culinary always get special treatment? There are union construction workers working on job sites on Saturday. No voting for them! They don't matter even though they are of all ethnic and racial backgrounds. The janitors of the NSEA don't matter. Nor do the hundreds of people who are working in malls, grocery stores, police officers, firefighters and and others working in recognizable areas that could also have caucus sites in them. Only the culinary union is important. Why because the Union bosses think they can intimidate their newly sworn in Hispanic American citizens to vote whatever way the bosses tell them to vote. I'll bet the party bosses were shocked that their Hispanic and other members are not stupid enough to be bullied and have protested that the bosses endorsed without polling the members.
Watching D. Taylor defend this plan to give these at large caucases a greater vote (1000%) greater and ignoring other workers who cannot caucus on a Saturday is revolting. His theory that it is Ok to defy Nevada law to have 1 delegaate for every 50 registered voters within a precienct by allowing Culinary members to have one delegate for every 50 memebers that vote because "the state and national party approved the plan" is laughable. So what? Laws are overturned all the time that are approved by Legislaturs which are surely a higher authority than the DNC, because they do not comply with the law. This is why we have Courts.
Personnally, I do not care who wins as my candidate has dropped out. However fair is fair. The Culinary Union has no more right to special treatment than any other group. The mantra that Union participation is needed, is great by why doesn't it apply to ALL unions?
Although he was not speaking of this situation precisely, it is still best put in the words of Senator John Edwards who WAS speaking about Hillary Clinton's attacks on Obama:
Whenever a candidate speaks out for CHANGE, the STATUS QUO will attack. I did not hear attacks from Senator Clinton when she was winning but now that she's not........."
STATUS QUO has GOT TO GOOBAMA 2008CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN
NOTICE THE QUOTES ON THE FLYERS FROM ABC NEWS, THE NEW YORK TIMES, ETC. Everybody knows the Clinton campaign is - ONCE AGAIN - trying to stop people from voting. AWFUL.
Sen. Barack Obama is the only candidate that will actually HELP the people of Nevada.
Please - do not fall for her time-worn campaign manipulations and hatred of the election process.
GIVE US PRESDIENT BARACK OBAMA.
Please - SAVE this country from the Bush/Clinton dynasties, and their lies and tricks.
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