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StumblePublished Wednesday, Sept. 29, 2010 | 12:51 p.m.
Updated Thursday, Sept. 30, 2010 | 2:52 p.m.
Accusing her of being a hypocrite, national Democrats are calling on Republican senate candidate Sharron Angle to drop the government-funded health insurance she enjoys through her husband, who is a retired government worker.
Angle’s campaign confirmed to Sun columnist Jon Ralston that Angle is covered through the Federal Employee Health Program, a benefit of his employment with the Bureau of Land Management, from which he is retired.
The couple also receive benefits from his pension.
Angle supports privatizing Social Security and Medicare, believing the federal government should not be involved in such benefit programs.
“If Sharron Angle truly believes what she says, then she should drop her own health insurance,” said Democratic National Committee spokesman Hari Sevugan. “If she decides to keep her insurance, paid for by the American public, she should explain to her supporters why she claims one thing and does another.”
The demand that Angle drop her husband’s employer-provided insurance is somewhat ironic from a party that supports health care for all.
They counter, however, that Angle should buy her insurance through the private market if she wants to maintain philosophical integrity.
C'mon people, Ayatollah Angle isn't talking about her own family when she whines about government benefits. She's obviously refering to everyone else.
There's a sacred double standard that all teabaggers must live by.
Angle is a hypocrite just like lots of other Repugnicans. Get both FREE health care and a FREE pension.
All those Repubnicans in congress who are against national health care should cancel their governmental insurance.
This is just another example of saying one thing while having their hand out to governmental social progressive programs.
"They counter, however, that Angle should buy her insurance through the private market if she wants to maintain philosophical integrity."
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She and her husband would probably both be deemed "uninsurable" or minimally in a prohibitively expensive "high risk pool."
Why shouldn't Angle receive the benefits of her taxes just like everyone else? When the system changes, then it changes for everyone.
This is no different than saying Democrats should each adopt a homeless family and provide for all their needs not covered by the government now.
Both arguments are bogus.
Sharron has lived off the federal government her whole life. Her husband was a [federal] government employee. He never tried to get a job in the private sector: he knew where the money was. He worked for the BLM controlling [federal] government land in Nevada, which Sharron is of course against.
Just a family of hypocrites. Now, Sharron continues to live off the [federal] government. No surprise there. She is an expert in taking [federal] government money.
There, have I said it enough? She and her beloved family are [federal] government welfare pimps.
Of course, if they bought "free-market" insurance they would have to pay at least $17,000 per year per person for mediocre coverage. But then, at least she would be boosting the profits of the "free-market" rather than pimping the [federal] government.
Hypocrite thy name is GOP/TeaParty.
There are a couple of internet sites that "shop" for health insurance, Does she have any pre-existing conditions.???? with her approximate zip code and age, ehealthinsurance.com allows her to get a limited high deductable plan for about $350. a month, assuming no pre-existing conditions.
I think she had a bought with cancer in the past though, that might change things. I wonder if she is too risky??? pre-existing conditions and all.
I hope there is a further investigation.
In the private insurance market Angle would be denied coverage due to her preexisting mental illness.
Sorry but integrity and politician are mutually exclusive.
Lady gpigsagogopjoke is back from bloggers rehab.
He hopes to limit his addiction to 20 hours per day.
Not sure you could get new private insurance with a pre-existing mental disorder.
Why shouldn't Angle receive the benefits of her taxes just like everyone else? When the system changes, then it changes for everyone"
The reason is simple
Angle OPPOSES the Obamacare plan which expands health insurance coverage to include millions of non-insured. She stated that if elected she would work to repeal it.
therefore isn't it a contradiction to benefit from some program which one condemns so soundly
? surely seems like HYPOCRISY to me
It would be somewhat like proclaiming oneself to be a "Christian" then advocating killing thousands of innocents just because they look, act or speak differently or have another religion.
Why is Sharron Angle enabling government to become our God? She's subverting and violating the first commandment, according to her own rhetoric.
Really, who expects Sharron to be ideologically consistent or competent?
What about Harry Reid dropping his Senate health insurance plan. Let HIM get health insurance a like everyone else. If he can.
pjoke, and Sharron is trying to get into the Senate to get the same Health Plan and Pension that Harry Ried is getting. If she's so against it, she should turn them down.
The only "HYPOCRITE" from Nevada is Dirty Harry Reid. And, not only is he a hypocrite, he is a "pathological liar". This is proven by the statements he has made himself. Now he says he never backed this or that and videos and articles have from the past have been found saying the opposite.
In addition, the health insurance Sharron Angle is covered under is a government employees retirement benefit plan, NOT a Congressional plan like Dirty Harry and not a government entitlement program.
Bob635 and LastThroes are typical Liberals turning, twisting and spinning the facts in an attempt to save one of the MOST CORRUPT politicians in Congress today.
Harry took the drafting of the "Health Care Reform" behind closed doors, and elicited the help of Special Interest Groups (like the Lawyers Associations)eliminating any possible "TRANPARENCY". Why do you think TORT REFORM, the one major area needing reform in the health care industry, does not appear in the bill.
Also, Dirty Harry is attempting to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants that ravage the taxpayers, by attaching the "DREAM ACT" in a Defense funding bill. That way the Democrats can say the Republicans are not backing the Military and their families. Snake that talks with forked tongue, that's Dirty Harry.
And, any of the Jobs bills have not help Main Street. If you look they ONLY involved Union Jobs (saved or created). Union Members make up 12.9% of the workforce, where is the help for Main Street America - the other 87.1% of the workforce?
With Harry Reid in such a "POWERFUL POSITION", why is Nevada 48th to 50th in Ferderal Funding funneled back to our state? Look it up.
Harry Reid has done VERY, VERY LITTLE, to help the state of Nevada or it's residents. Harry Reid voted for raises for Congressional member the last 2 years. He voted for increases in medicare premiums for social security recipients for 2 years. YET HE VOTED AGAINST RAISES IN SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS FOR OUR SENIOR RECIPIENTS FOR 2 YEARS.
He also coerces, threatens, bribes and pays off other Senators to vote HIS and THIS ADMINISTRATIONS AGENDA way, which in most cases over the last 2 years has been opposite that of "MAIN STREET".
ANYONE, I REPEAT ANYONE, WOULD BETTER SERVE THE STATE OF NEVADA AND IT'S RESIDENTS THAN HARRY REID. He is the poster child for "TERM LIMITS". We need to send him back to Searchlight for good, never to be heard from again. I hear the Dogcatchers job is open there.
tarbox60 said "Also, Dirty Harry is attempting to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants that ravage the taxpayers".
Actually according to a peer reviewed study by the Tax Law Journal, illegal immigrants pay billions more in taxes as a group than they receive in benefits. For example, they pay into social securitiy and medicare, some under a fake account but cannot collect any benefits. They pay sales taxes, contribute to property taxes, pay gaming taxes, etc etc. However other than public education, county hospitial medical care and other very limited benefits, they are generally very loath to go through the paperwork necessary to receive benefits to which they might be entitled.
he also said "With Harry Reid in such a "POWERFUL POSITION", why is Nevada 48th to 50th in Ferderal Funding funneled back to our state?"
The answer is because most of the 47 states fully fund the required matching medicaid dollars required to get full funding. Thanks to Gibbons and the libertarian attitude in Carson, this state does not fully fund medicare and so gets short changed by its own conduct, not by federal law. If you pull medicaid out of the calculation, Nevada is in roughly the top third of the states in money funnelled to the states on a per capita basis.
oops, where i said "medicare" it should have said "medicaid".
She can't get insurance, she had cancer? - will have to wait to 2014 or when she gets medicare, but that's "Government" and she wants to phase it out anyway.
Great comment, boftx.
Shouldn't Democrats being demanding he send his kids to a unionized public school instead of a non-union private school?
*he = Obama
Sharrron Angle and the Republicans are in favor of privatizing Social Security and Medicare because it will mean billions in profits for the insurance industry, which heavily donates to Republicans and rightwing organizations. Whatever comes out of Social Security and Medicare to line the CEOs pockets is taken away from benefits for the rest of us.
Angle has a mental problem. She views the govenment ONLY from her perspective. If she can't get pregnant, no health care for pregnancies, autism shouldn't be covered because it doesn't affect her, rape? make lemonade from those lemons, etc., etc. She is incredibly self centered. She doesn't even see the hypocrisy in her stances on Social Security and Health Care Insurance, because she is getting hers (or the equivalent) from the government!
While this self-centered may be OK for an individual, it is catastrophic in an elected official.
Angle's got her "entitlements" but she' trying to convince other people that they shouldn't want theirs'. ANybody who votes for her is a moron! lol
Oh, gbigs, er I mean pjoke, here you go again. Reid isn't calling for an end to government-funded health care; he's calling for insurance for the masses. He's insured, so we should be insured.
It's Angle who wants to prevent people who don't qualify from getting health insurance. Since she has hers and she can't be disqualified, she's telling the rest of us to screw ourselves. Angle should do what she wants the rest of us to do: buy health insurance on the open market.
The health care plan that she buys will be very expensive..she is elderly and in need of mental health counseling, a pre-existing condition!
Let's make a deal.
Angle drops her health care plan.
All the people who are against new oil drilling should stop using any product that has oil or an oil based product or a product that was made with machine that has oil or oil based product.
That would mean stop eating food unless you grow by hand in your back yard.
Stop going to the doctor.
Stop driving or taking the bus or taking an air plane trip.
Stop taking a shower.
Stop brushing your teeth.
Stop going to the doctor or hospital.
Stop using the Internet and computers.
Let's make a deal.
Angle drops her health care plan.
SgtRock stops his illogical drivel
Sgt Rock:
First, I know of no one who is "against new oil drilling". I know people who are against offshore oil drilling or drilling in other sensitive locations. And being against that limited subset of oil drilling is not the same as being against the use of petroleum products but probably augers in favor of reduced use of petroleum products. Admittedly there is nuance there that some might miss. Non-wasteful use of petroleum products is not antithetical to concern for drilling in ecologically sensitive areas or concerns regarding the carbon output.
As to Ms. Angle, she has taken policy positions which are directly antithetical to her conduct of her life. She is regularly and vociferously anti government involvement in the various benefits government currently provides under law as it exists. But yet she depends on those benefits for herself and her family. I would be very impressed if she were to reject the overly generous Congressional pension for which she would be eligible should she win the lection.
Failed Obama - Failed Reid - These two clowns think they are just so clever. I have to turn off the tv in my house whenever the bumbling, blasting, cheap shot Obama is on. He hates over half of America - and is a very big bully. I turn it off so the children do not follow his bad habits; his always being a bully and treating people badly. This is the worst example of presidential behavior in the history of America. Obama is a mean man; you know he is when he lets his own sister live in homeless shelters in America (even though the Obamas made 5 million dollars just last year.). What a jerk!
I am exhausted at the stupid tactics and antics and clown acts of the Reid/Obama government.
Reid - Obama hates anyone to be employed. If they would spend half of their "clown" time on getting jobs for Nevada citizens - and also do this for other states - we would be far better off as a country.
Obama-Reid: Bad for America; bad for jobs.
They love DEVALUED homes; putting moms and dads in jail due to the outrageous hike in insurance premiums Obamacare is bringing us.
And if any president thinks a heart pace maker is a luxury item (he is taxing them as such), then he is seriously out of touch with America.
Dump Reid - Dump Obama.
Angle is lucky she's covered under a group plan because otherwise there isn't an American insurance company in business today that would touch her with a ten-foot pole. The likelihood of a serious mental disorder and documented statements about 'Second Amendment remedies' has probably spooked most insurers and disqualified her from coverage.
Maybe Lloyd's of London would give her a policy for the right ($$$) price.
democrats should lead by example -
Elected officials should receive no pensions or health plans.
over paid whores. hate them all
Why, exactly, should I care what the Democrats want Sharron Angle to do? I'm just askin'...
Hank, I will call your bluff and raise you.
Can you list 5 areas in the USA where you are Ok with new oil drilling?
I think the Democrats, especially Harry Reid, should give up their cushy federally funded and taxpayer paid-for health care and go on the same healthcare they want us to use. They are exempt, but you can bet that Angle will be forced to make the change.....
Angle taught at a Government School as well (public community college), so your right Gibbons,
she is also a hypocrite there as well.
Husband worked for Federal Government on Federal Government Land.
Angle went to a Government School to get her degree. (UNR)
Angle taught at a Government Community College (WNCC).
Husband gets a Government retirement check.
Angle and husband get Government Medical retirement benefits, paid for by taxpayers
Angle got Government money as a State legislator.
That is a lot of Government for someone who doesn't like Government.
Of course hypocrite like the oil companies, mining companies, etc., get all sorts of Government help. Depletion allowances, huge tracts of land, etc.
Speaking of Gibbons, the GOVO that is, who is paying for his time in the hospital? Not the taxpayers I hope. After all he is so against Government medical care, he is suing the Federal Government. (At the same time Nevada is seeking Federal Government Subsides under the Health care BILL.) More libertarian loonie Republican hypocrisy, but what else is new?
If I recall correctly, Reid was one of those "socialists" who tried for a "PUBLIC OPTION", which would have extended the same system used by the Feds (and it turns, out the Angle family) to us mere mortals. And, again if I recall correctly, we were "saved" from that "socialistic" plan by filibusters, which some folks claim is a socialist godless plan -- (or is it enshrining government-as-supreme-being plan?)
Two points: 1. Ms. Angle's saying one thing while doing another is evidence of hypocrisy. It is a form of lying. 2. If people stopped using bogus terms for things, and stopped insisting on truthy factoids, we might be able to have a real discussion about health care and what changes might be best for everybody.
I couldn't care less where she gets her health insurance, she's still a way better candidate than Reid.
You Harry Haters...
You are too funny!!!
Senator Reid helped pass health care reform, thank God.
Would-be wanna-be Angle and would work to REPEAL THE REFORM.
Addionally, she has come out in whacky opposition to coverages FOR WOMEN, the "AUTISTIC", VET'S, and pretty much anything & everything SHE PERSONALLY DOESN'T SUFFER FROM.
We cannot POSSIBLY allow this selfish, self-serving, anti-everything, one-word (NO!) woman to represent Nevada...
NO WAY!!!
NO WAY JOSE!
you left wing morons are so funny
Sharron Angle wants to repeal health care for
30 million Americans and keep her GOVERNMENT
HEALTH CARE.
WOW, this woman is GREEDY.
REPUBLICANS WHO SUPPORT HER ARE LUNATICS.
Lie, slander and be totally ridiculously stupid....way to go you idiotic democrats....
These republicans can't handle the truth.
We can NEVER TRUST republicans, ever again.
They have done enough damage to our country.
Republicans know only one word, GREED.
SAVE OUR STATE AND COUNTRY,
VOTE HARRY AND RORY REID.
The democrats are idiots. They have no good ideas to confront Angle with so they attack anything to get in the news. I do not think the government should take care of my every need. People have to be responsible for them self's. We may need to help people from time to time but it should not be a way of life. The disabled, the terminal ill, the very young and the very old is all that need any long term help.
Senator Harry Reid's horrible record of Illegal Immigration.
http://www.ontheissues.org/International...
Just another example of the hypocritical Tea Party aligned with Republican Party ideals. It never stops. Especially with Sharron Angle. She always proclaims, "Don't do as I do, do as I say." And then she gets caught, and repeats her time honored well worn out campaign slogan... "That's not what I said."
But what I think is funny is that every time something is said on the Las Vegas Sun, something that slams the Republican candidate for this Senate Race, there's like this mad scramble of people putting out crap that slams Senator Reid, hate on him, hate him, HATE ON HIM!, not Sharron Angle, HATE REID! Besides the fact there is absolutely no earthly justification in their tirades, I just think it's funny that the original article they are commenting to doesn't even deal with Senator Reid. There seems to be this Tea Party rationality that this "hate Reid" mantra is supposed to be waved by everyone in Nevada.
And it don't fly. Because we actually now (and will continue to have in the future) a Senator that does things not only nationally but locally here for Nevada. So this "hate Reid" crap don't work.
They always point at Reid says this, he says that. Okay. It's a given. He makes mistakes. And guess what? He's a man. He owns up to them. I've seen him apologize and/or admit he's wrong. And then he don't dwell on it. He moves on. And his accomplishments far outnumber his mistakes.
But with Angle? She makes a mistake. She misspeaks. She lies. When confronted, again, here comes her campaign slogan, "That's not what I said." She owns up to NOTHING.
See the difference?
That tells me one candidate hides things (Sharron Angle). The other don't. Senator Reid has shown in word and deed that he owns up to everything, the bad and the good.
Us Democrats are sticking to our guns though. We get rid of Angle and Heck in November. After that, our focus is on that useless Ensign.
We're cleaning house.
My vote goes for Senator Reid and sanity. Not tea made with toilet water.
pjoke, you are missing the point here. Crazy Sharron NEVER in her life worked for the Federal Government, but gets FEDERAL health insurance, through her husband, therefore mooching off the government. No one is calling for her husband to give up his EARNED benefits. HIS EARNED benefits, not hers. That makes her a hypocrite, liar and mooch. Reid fought long and hard to get health benefits for every one. SHE wants nothing for any one, but HERSELF. Get it now?
And Colin how is Harry any different? Harry thinks losing 36,000 jobs in a week is good news? Harry thinks B.O. would make a good president because of his lighter skin tone and adjustable dialect? So let's get this straight Colin, you're for: 1) Higher taxes on anyone with a job; 2) Happy to pay for Harry's Ritz Carlton Penthouse; 3) Ok with the loss of individual freedom; 4) Don't mind paying a 3.8% tax on the sale of any investments above and beyond what you'll pay in income taxes; 5) Don't have any problem with our country being overrun by illegal aliens who consume government benefits at an alarming rate; and 6) Don't have a problem with your senator telling you that he thinks you stink.
At least we know what you stand for Colin.
to pjoke: Reid worked for the NV gaming commission. Educate yourself before you start ranting.
Govt health care is Socialism, so Sharron Angle is a socialist by coverage/proxy.
-Fox logic 101-
bbtbrain says: "Harry thinks losing 36,000 jobs in a week is good news?"
No. I agree. It's not good news.
But the funny thing about you bringing that up is that you neglect to point out that Sharron Angle recently commented that it is not her concern to create jobs in Nevada.
But, from what you just said, I guess Senator Reid is held to loftier goals.
In Sharron Angle's world, if everyone ends up begging for money up on the overhead pedestrian bridge connecting New York New York and MGM Grand on Las Vegas Boulevard, that's fine with her. She could care less. She got hers. And to hell with everyone else.
Hypocrisy.
I'm not even going to address the rest of your ramble. Because it's a time honored strategy of the Republican right wingnuts. "If someone points out the Republicans are full of crap, point out something else, throw something back at them, ANYTHING, or just make up something, and attack back, but make sure you attack!"
It's all predictable. And empty.
Wow, what an incredible concept! Only people that believe in big government spending should be able to obtain government services. The rest of us should just pay in and be prohibited from getting any return so that we aren't accused of being hypocrites in the Sun!
Hypocrisy? Harry has stated in his own words he's "done his best to create jobs." We've got the highest unemployment rate in the nation and that's the best he can do? Come on Colin you have to do better than that.
bbtbrain - We've got the highest unemployment rate in the nation and that's the best he can do?
People ran up to much debt bbtbrain. When people pay down their debt and have some extra money they can spend they will come back to Nevada and spend more. The state of Nevada is more to blame for the job lose because jobs are to dependent on tourists and gaming industry.
Check out the Health care Systems in some other countries here. From PBS show Frontline - Sick Around The World - Video
http://video.pbs.org/searchForm/?q=sick+...
It was hard to figure what Sharron Angle fans would try to say on this one. They have to say something, logical or not. The posts here are really weak though. They take one of two tacks, either talk about something else; or like PGelsman say something like, "What about Harry Reid dropping his Senate health insurance?" See, I don't think PGelsman understands what hypocrisy means. And that's what what this is really about, nobody actually wants Angle to drop her government insurance, they just want to point out the hypocrisy.
She must have taken the hypocritic oath!
Darn, got to the party late. Life"what a drag.
But not too late I hope to once again correct one (of many) attaboy's not due Harry Reid; namely, that he is responsible for Nevada's high unemployment and foreclosure rates.
Harry cannot take credit for this, only I can! I, not Harry, have the power to cause people from the other 49 states to stop coming here to spend their unemployment checks on the Strip. I did this by forcing Barack Obama to publicly tell all non-Nevadans not to spend their grocery money on a vacation in Las Vegas.
I am the One! But I don't want your vote.
While Harry Reid is not my favorite, Nevada would be far worse off with Angle. She lost any chance of my vote with her comments about rape and "making lemonade." How many stupid things does a person have to say before they lose any credibility with the average voter.
Churchill once said that the best argument against democracy is a conversation with the average voter. I hope his statement will prove wrong in this case.
"I m against govt health care while i am on govt health care, because govt health care is socialism!"
--Tea Partier logic 101--
This issue is what frustrates me the most about extreme rightwingers and Tea Party nut jobs. They are the first to stick their hand out for gubment dollars. Their hand is out and there mouth is running how it is wrong for people to get gubment dollars. I guess they think they are deserving of gubment money and others are not. Very sickening.
This has gotten unbelievably silly. Employer funded health care is not socialism even if the government is the employer. Yes, the employer in a large plan can negotiate the reimbursement rates to providers but again where the employer is the government, they are not acting any different to keep costs down than any private employer would.
Equally silly is calling medicare socialism. Medicare is strongly analgous to any employer provided/controlled plan where the "plan sponsor" is paying the bills and makes the rules. At the risk of oversimplifying, even a "single payor system" which is closely analagous to Medicare, is not socialized medicine. If you want examples of true socialized medicine, enlist because the military hires the doctors and is, essentially, the provider. If you think that the government can't provide medical care effectively and efficiently, ask any soldier, sailor, marine or airman, or even any vet, how awful they think the socialized medicine they get is.
And just like health insurance costs employers money, someone has to pay for it. It drives me bonkers when people lucky enough to have good "free" coverage from their employer complain about contributing to the cost of coverage (through tax credits or whatever) for those whose employer doesn't provide coverage.
The selfishness inherent in "I got mine for free but I don't want to contribute to the cost of yours" is not a question of constitutionality or socialism, any more than any other benefit that any government pays for. "I don't want to be forced to pay for highways that benefit trucking companies because I don't use the highways or get to share in the profits they make using free roads" or "I don't want to contribute pay for teacher salaries because they're overpaid", or whatever.
Too bad. We live in an interdependent society where everyone benefits from the greater good. We have a republic where our elected representatives make those decisions because thats how our constitution works, and you don't sound rational when you complain that the lawmakers make decisions that are upheld by the courts and you cry about "taking back the country".
Jason (icy1007)--I couldn't care less where she gets her health insurance, she's still a far less qualified candidate than Reid.
Woodysez1, it is sad that you still are living your life with a teenager mentality believing everything Reid puts in his ads. The majority of his ads are cut and pasted together so the public will see and hear the lies Harry wants us to hear.
If he is doing this to Angle, what wool is he pulling over our eyes?
Fremma: are you really saying that she isn't against abortion in the case of rape and incest? One doesn't have to rely on Reid to watch the video of her saying that on several occasions.
"I m against new oil drilling in the USA while I am using oil, oil based products and products maded by machines using oil, because new oil drilling is evil!"
--Lib Koolaid logic 101--