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Published Wednesday, June 30, 2010 | 10:07 a.m.
Updated Wednesday, June 30, 2010 | 10:10 a.m.
In her much anticipated emergence into the mainstream media last night, Republican senate candidate Sharron Angle tried somewhat to soften her previous comments that implied jobless workers were spoiled by unemployment benefits.
She said she doesn’t think the workers are spoiled, but that the country’s system of entitlements have “spoiled our citizenry” and caused a “spoilage” in our ability to return the jobless to the workforce, she told Jon Ralston on Face to Face.
While she advocated eliminating the extension of unemployment benefits, she also advocated for creating a tiered system that would supplement wages for those who took entry level jobs that paid less than their unemployment benefit.
Seems, however, that Nevada already does that.
According to the state’s unemployment website, workers who earn less than their unemployment benefit still receive money from the state. Their unemployment checks are reduced by 75 percent of the amount they earned at the lower-paying job.
Thus, workers who accept entry-level jobs—those jobs that Angle maintained still exist in the Nevada economy despite its 14 percent unemployment rate—will earn more if they are working than if they just accept unemployment.
She did know an important detail of unemployment, that if you are partially employed or employed at a lower wage, you can get money to augment the income of the lower paying new job.
This is why Patrick J Gibbons of NPRI (who sends unwanted personal emails to me, I don't read them and delete them, get a life guy, you are acting like an immature kid with a beanie on your head) does not know what he is talking about along with Angle.
What is it Gibbons/Angle? Has Obama and the stimulus failed and there are no jobs? or are there jobs and the unemployed are deadbeats that don't want to take existing jobs? You can have it both ways.
I'm sure when Angle and Rand Paul are elected a bunch of new segregated lunch counters will open up and provide jobs for the unemployed rabble.
Wow, Jon Ralston sounded like he works for Harry Reid. I am a Independent, her responses were not wacky, they have merit in many ways. The Sun is so liberal that you cannot really take what you read here, especially the editorials, with a grain of salt. Jon, your interview was horrible, why did you not let her answer a question without you throwing your own bias into the mix. I persoanlly could care less what you had to say. Her ideas on Social Security were reasonable ideas considering that something has to be done to save the institution.
why would she want to debate Harry Reid with Jon Ralston leading the debate? That would be the same as having Chriss Matthews or Keith Obberman do it....wow our media is just so screwed up anymore...does anyone believe a thing they read anymore when it comes to politics....Jon...I am so dispointed in how you handled that...as an independent, I am looking for the candidate to be asked questions, challenged, and clarified. Not be drawn in and have enter a debate with a journalist who has liberal views or one that has conservative views for that matter...let her talk please...
What you folks have here is a Sarah Palin clone it would seem, this one does not seem very sharp either. Opens her mouth before really knowing what she is talking about. Hmmmm, typical conservative dolt.
Bobby G, Grumpyman58, Mred....but what about the issues? You think Harry ried will do better or change things? Things are the way they are becasue of past senate and congressional management? So lets look at the issues, not a pasted grin, a phrase taken out of context, a needless jab because you yourself is angry, lets look at the issues fellas
The point is:
"The worst recession since the Great Depression has taken a huge toll on Nevada, with bankruptcies, home foreclosures and business closures at record levels.
Well, wait until next year.
It is expected to get worse.
You could be hit with a triple or higher increase in unemployment taxes to start paying off an anticipated $1 billion in loans the state Employment Security Division probably will borrow from the U.S. Department of Labor by the end of 2010."
Libs have to realize the money has to come from somewhere, raising business costs will not lead to more hiring. Get it?
Ms. Damon, maybe Nevada has that provision, but what the other states? I'm fairly certain that California doesn't. Angle would be addressing that issue at the federal level, not just for Nevada.
Sharron Angle will lose this election. Recipe for disaster in campaign strategy. The countdown to self destruction has begun - advocating Nevada should embrace Yucca Mtn Nuclear Waste Facility, end unemployment extention benefits in the highest unememployed state of the union because there are jobs available. Tackling Social Security issues with explanations that have been exhausted. I am not a fan of Reid but seriously how could anyone follow Angles non-sensical statements. If she wants to end unemployment extention then she believes Obamas stimulas/bailout plan has worked and jobs have been created to meet the needs individuals. Is also concerning she doesnt understand how unemployment benefits work in which she stated those who take jobs at less pay should be supplemented by unemployment- this already occurs. Unbelievable!!!!
What happened to the hundreds of billions of dollars that REID and OBAMA spent supposedly to create jobs? As shown by the unemployment rate in Nevada, we did not seem to get much of those stimulus money despite REID's claim that his clout with Obama will make Nevada better than other states. It turns out the opposite... we are now the worst state in the nation.
A vote for Angle is a vote for absurdity.
Shingles is living proof that aliens live among us.
novasilene..you speak about Angle's valid arguements..does her argument that the rape of a 13 year old girl is "God's will" seem valid to you? This woman doesn't know when to drop the dogma!
I plan to send this to a few of my Republican friends who have been out of work for 6 to 14 months. All have been interviewing and seeking jobs. One actually had a job for 2 months and was laid off again. They aren't lazy. They are highly qualified professionals trying to find a professional position in a lousy economy. Two are now interviewing out of state.
While I know there are some people who "game the system," most people currently unemployed are victims of this horrible economy and the lack of leadership and vision by our elected officials to put this state on a new economic path.
know when to walk away
know when to run.
as and Independent, voting for Reid means supporting the Obama agenda. No matter how bad she may be or you make her out to be...its better than the Obama socialist high out of control spending agenda
Each state only gets two-(2) U.S. Senators to represent them in Congress. PLEASE Nevada... do not be so follish as to make Sharon Angle one of ours!
She'll make us the laughing stock of the nation if successful in this.
Even my Black Forest Grandfather Clock responds to the Sharron Angle candidacy with simple, yet defining accuracy: "...cuckoo...cuckoo."
I don't look for work because the max of 400.00/week provides me with a wonderfully secure lifestyle.
Simple experiment: Sharon opens a job center and find a job for EVERYONE who walks in. Any failure? She pays for a 40 hr/minimum wage job for that person out of her own pocket. No excuses. The jobs are ther put up or shut up. Better still list the 50-100,000 available NV jobs on her web site.
Obama pledged to get America out of Afghanistan. He has not. He pledge to close that resort in Cuba and he has not. He pledged to roll back the NSA and again, he has not.
That said you are a fool to think we would be in a better economy without the stimulus funding road work, which has kept Las Vegas Paving in business. Clark County would have 20% unemployment without the federal money. Not that it is a good thing for my children and their children.
Still, it was Bush that bailed out Wall Street. History will tell that America should have let Wall Street fail and yes there would have been a great depression that we would be recovering from today.
Angel is not going to make things better, nor worse so what is the fuss. None of the above!
dhvincent, the Facebook integration, for now, is used only for political stories, not blogs such as this. Letters to the editor, Sun editorials, blogs and elsewhere blogs linking to other sources don't require Facebook to leave comments.
Today's story about Sharron Angle does have the Facebook integration.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jun...
Ensign voted against extending benefits.
That was only because he believes in "friends with benefits".
Now he and I are not friends, but if he would change his vote I will bring him my ex wife for a trip around the world.
Hey Tim, I agree with dhvincent. This is a blatent attempt to spin it to your liking. Let's face it, the facebook thing isn't working out and this paper can't admit it made a mistake. One person's comment is another's vulgarity or personal attack. Just have some professional journalistic ethics, otherwise you look like the Huffington Post.
hey mred...
gibbie the clown e-mails me too...
pathetic...
absolutely pathetic...
who could possibly take npri seriously???
hey jon ralston...
big fan...
but...
the angle interview...
not your best work...
you fell prey to her psycho babble far too often...
you must hold her feet to the fire better next time...
but like i said...
big fan...
Bertsos says--A vote for Angle is a vote for absurdity.
A vote for Reid is a vote for total government takeover of your life, prosperity and happiness. In other words, you won't be allowed to have any of the above unless Barrack and his minions ok it.
Smart people will vote Reid out of offce. Smart people will vote all democrat incumbents out. Save our country people, don't vote the same idiots back in.
I can't give an opinion on this yet. I just started unemployment this week and I'm greatful for it. I can afford my medicine!!!
ladies and gentlemen...
boys and girls...
as you are all well aware...
my nicknames are famous the world over...
followed by political pundits big and small...
and for good reason...
who could forget classics like...
johnny "snot nosed spoiled rich kid who slept with his best friend's wife, then fired her and her husband, both employees, when he got caught, ruined their lives, then ran to mommy and daddy to fix his boo boo" ensign...
or...
sue "let them use chickens for healthcare" lowden...
or...
sarah "dumb as a bag a rocks" palin...
classics to be sure...
well...
ladies and gentlemen...
i have decided on a nick name for the beloved sharron angle...
who shall henceforth be known as...
sharron "psycho smile" angle...
now...
again as you are all well aware...
i have long despised the smile all too often deployed by our stupid pathetic ugly lying always making a threat or fear mongering republican friends...
to me it means the smiler knows he is full of crap...
but just does not care one bit...
well boys and girls...
if you saw ralston's interview...
you saw that old sharron takes that smile to a new level...
sharron's smile says to me...
not only does she know what she is saying is pure crap...
but it also says that she it nuts...
wacko...
crazy...
gone...
bonkers...
thus the name...
sharron "psycho smile" angle...
everybody have a great night...
make sure you tip the waitresses...
and i will be here all week...
Republican idiots...All you had to do was vote in Tarkanian and you would have easily won. Reid is going to destroy her come debate time and he is already working her over via the airwaves/cable.
Who in the republican party is going to come to Nevada and vouch for her??? Sarah Palin? hahahah.
dhvincent1,BCDave,
The three of us agree more often than not on politics. But on the issue of this blog's spin and the Sun's Facebook policy I think you are mistaken to a degree.
First, let me say that anyone who has read my posts about the matter know that I do not like the Facebook policy at all, that I consider it to be a failure, and I have strong reasons for not using Facebook in any way.
That said, the Sun has relented to some extent and does not put the Facebook requirement on every political story. The Sun's policy, as stated and as I understand it, is that they will only use it on political stories. In other cases they have simply not allowed comments at all, (and wisely so in some cases.)
Does the Sun have an editorial bias? Of course! What paper doesn't? But that is perfectly okay on the editorial and blog pages. In this case, I think Ms. Damon has been more fair that others in the past have been.
Rather than be upset with the Sun, I suggest you try to ignore those posters who seem unable to discuss diferrences in a civil fashion and make allowances for the known Sun bias.
On a side note, it has been some time since we have seen a story from the Washington D.C. reporter who we all accused of severe bias in reports.
Nevada wingnuts really blew it when they chose Angle. Lowden or Tark would've been pathetic yet slightly reasonable picks... but Sharron Angle?
Harry Reid's plan worked perfectly.
Sharon Angle's words were NOT taken out of context... that's what she said and now she has to OWN it! She is a WHACK job! I don't think Harry Reid has done enough for our state, but NO WAY would I put a WHACK job in his place because I don't like him... the GOP had an opportunity to put a moderate conservative Republican, but you chose to go with the WHACK job - this will cost you Nevada and we will be left with the lesser of the 2 evils.
Also the idea of Yucca jobs are a joke too. If you ship nuclear waste to Yucca for reprocessing, there IS nuclear waste at Yucca. After it is reprocessed, there is nuclear material out there as well.
In addition, Yucca was chosen for not having ground water. Japan, France, England and Soviets reprocessing facilities all were by water, which was needed to reprocess. Finally, you may not have enough reactors that can use the reprocessed material.
What nuclear scientist or physicist says this plan would work for that location?
Even the right wing talk host that was fired for low ratings said Angle's speaking ability was not up to Senate standards.
It's really very simple for someone to decide who is the lesser of two evils, without regard to their party.
Get a sheet of paper and draw a line down the middle. Label the top of each column with the names of the candidates.
Now, list under each name the things you DON'T like about them, and ALSO put a score between 0 and 5 based on how you think then can effectively promote that item in Congress. Total up the columns for effectiveness.
Whoever has the lower score is the lesser of two evils.
I just watched Sharon Angle being interviewed on CNBC by Kudlow...I as a independent can confirm, that after a non biased and fair interview...she has my vote. She is not what the left has made her out to be...her plans and ideas are what this country needs to get us back on our feet again
Common Nevada; lets be a first (or at least a first at something good).
Everyone vote "none of the above"!
If we get over 50% to vote none of the above, now that would be a statement for the left and the right!
I fully expect to see liberal biased on this site, but that's one of the reasons I read it, to try to understand everyone's point. The problem is, most of the posts are illogical, emotional and self serving. The comments which don't have name calling and are logical are a pretty good read. Unfortunately Reid is behind a lot of the name calling and wacky rhetoric and the root for many others doing it; it's simply his only way of winning. His merits alone aren't good enough to win so he simply HAS to portrait Angle as a mental patient; and hope enough people buy it. It becomes more apparent to me almost daily that Reid was alright when he was a shadow guy, but him as the leader of the senate is a nightmare, and having a freshman senator would be 100000000 times better. She could vote present on every legislation for the next 6 years and be better.
Those who are criticizing the Obama administration I bet many of them voted for him. Now since he didn't save the world in 18 months he needs to go.
He was the anti-Bush candidate and everyone in America had the attitude of change for change sake. Now this change didn't go very well so now we need to change back.
See the pattern? You can take 98% of all politicians, democrat, republican or independent and turn them inside out and you couldn't tell any difference at all. They all suck!
There is no good answer other than establish term limits for all politicians of no more than 8 yrs and you're done. It seems the system corrupts even those with the best of intentions. The entire system is broken. We need to really take inventory of what needs to stay and what needs to go. The government has become so large and out of control the only thing that can be done to repair it is to really start all over again, but that will never happen. So we're all pretty screwed.
Ironman, I agree with you completely..
If I was about to lose my unemployment which would lead to losing my home, Do you think I would be concerned about the deficit, Especially after billions were spent on wars and the cost hidden!
Guess who I will vote for......... That's right the ones putting food in my children's mouth and don't tell me about there future is spent when they have to eat today.
NoVaseline - her ideas are what will put our State and our Country equal to a third-world country... I'm not interested in deregulating an environment destroying industry, legislating religion, forcing Dr's to lie to their patients, or any of the other craziness that woman spews.
IronmanLV - yes, this country seeems to have a bit of ADD as far as "change" is concerned. People want it, yet are afraid of it at the same time. We haven't recovered from the King George recession soon enough so they want to go back to what caused it in the first place... Really????
Saw a bumper sticker today:
Nevada-Last in everything good. Thanks Harry!!
casinokid--If you can't find a job ever again, should you(and tens of thousands like you) get unemployment permanently?
Just asking.....
Angle needs to be paid only $400.00 a week and lets see if she is on easy street. One better is have her work for minumin wage no benifits or retirement and see if she thinks life is fair. Her Paulin and the rest of the wacked republicans need to go away. As Ron White says You can not fix Stupid.
sharron "psycho smile" angle...
loves yucca mountain...
clearly she wants our children to glow in the dark at night...
loves bp...
clearly she wants to end government regulation...
this lack of regulation caused the bp oil spill...
hates social security...
wants to end social security...
could care less of the consequences...
don't listen to the psycho double talk...
she wants to end social security...
views people out of work as spoiled...
can you imagine...
8 million out of work...
1 million jobs...
it's those damn spoiled 7 million that are bringing us all down...
sharron psycho smile angle...
is a crazy person...
psycho...
wacko...
gonzo...
bonkers...
psycho smile...
qu'est-ce que c'est...
fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa...
run run run run run away...
hey hey hey hey...
separation of church and state???
psycho smile says...
thomas jefferson was taken out of context...
hee hee hee...
hoo hoo hoo...
haa haa haa...
psycho smile...
screw the constitution...
fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa...
run run run run run away...
hey hey hey hey...
sharron psycho smile angle says...
if you got raped...
by your dad...
and got pregnant...
and you might die if you give birth...
sharron psycho smile angle says...
you must give birth...
fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa...
run run run run run away...
hey hey hey hey...
This whole concept has become a urination contest on both sides. This paper should make anything associated with a political RACE governed by their facebook policy. Unfortunately, nobody knows who anyone is so the mud slings. The left should have one large comment where everyone signs their name and the same for the right. Otherwise it is all grey. I'm guilty of it too. Case in point, it's not that I love Sharon Angle, it's that I hate Harry Reid and Harry Reid's policies. I would vote for Mickey Mouse against Harry Reid. Now before 20 of you left wingers blast me, save it, I accept it. Annonimity is great. By the way, I'm a life long Democrat who believes in fiscal responsibility.
So Bob G is looking for work. Maybe that's why he's so mad, spewing vitriol on this board many many times throughout the day. Glad to know that he got his Resume in order.Try doing some fancy FOOTWORK. Harry got you here buddy! Sharon will hold your hand step by step and walk with you through the process. Get a job Bobby....too much Internet
hey bcdave...
mickey mouse...
psycho sharron...
psycho sharron...
mickey mouse...
hmmm...
got tot tell you buddy...
i don't see any difference!!!
psycho sharron...
qu'est-ce que c'est...
fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa...
run run run run run run away...
hey hey hey hey...
To get a real picture of Angle look to her comments before she won the nomination. Now that she is the candidate the national Republican party is doing a makeover on her, as they would on any of their candidates for national office, so as to make her palatable to the electorate. That's why she has been ducking the tough reporters for almost a month. Rehearsing her lines and memorizing the soundbites. Not doing a makeover means the loose cannon loses in a landslide. So those of you commenting about hearing Angle recently and like what she says your being suckered by the makeover. Look to her views before the makeover for the real Angle.
Get a life xav8ter. Most employers these days will not accept your application or resume in person. Even if they allow you into the building to do an application they throw it into a pile with all the rest without even looking at it. Many employers won't take any applications at all, just use employment agencies for even the smallest jobs. Many factories are locked up like Fort Knox. Throw your application in a box by the gate if you don't have internet access. This is the internet age and employers are using it to their benefit and the benefit of those looking for work.
As much as I think Sharron Angle is dead wrong on 99.9% of everything, she's right on this one. MOST of those on unemployment would rather stay on unemployment than take a minimum wage job. You can't blame these people, unemployment just pays more! You can't enable people to be lazy, and unemployment does that. They say: 'I can't find a job, I've looked everywhere and put in hundreds of applications!' Terrible Herbst and one of the taxi companies will hire most of these people in a heartbeat as long as they can get a work card/taxi liscense! They may not want to work doing this type of work, but $8.00 an hour is BETTER than $0.00 dollars an hour! I'm sure the unemployment numbers in NV would drop significantly is these people would stop sucking the 'dole' and step out of their comfort zones and get behind a cash register/taxi steering wheel!
Amusing how you right wingers blame Harry for everything wrong with Nevada, because it surely has NOTHING to do with having Republican governors for the last 12 years.
After all, they're just the chief executive of the state.
I bet the guy that made over SharLron's grin was proud of her performance on Face to Face.
Smirky, proud, scared and dumb - all in one thirty minute, toothy, plastered appearance that shed half her supporters, according to Reno TV4's survey following the debut/going-out-of-business sale.
In stead of RUNNING her big mouth (which seems to have a foot in it) go after the multi-generation WELFARE families,who on the record have as many as 3 generations of the same family receiving assistance.They were born "into it" "raised in it" and having babies "in it" and no doubt will pass their new kids into it. You want to fight a fight?...then fight the REAL fights. If she thinks a small unemployment check supports a person in any way shape or size...she's nuts! Any reasonable person with a sense of ethics would be too ashamed to remain on unemployment.I was on unemployment only once in my life....and I didn't like it...but needed it...and I'm grateful I had it.
Will someone please tell Sharon Angle that Nevada has the highest unemployment rate in the U.S. and the last time i checked most companies were laying off workers not much hiring going on. See it's these these great ideas like this that WILL NOT get her elected to congress (ask Sue Lowden..chickens)..cmon you GOPN'S shake your narrowed mindedness, and shortsightedness open your eyes, smell the coffee and see that it was republican policies that got us into this mess if you were so great at governing we wouldn't be having this discussion, and we wouldn't have incompetent U.S. Senate wannabes coming up with lame ideas like Sharon Angle has (let's cut unemployment pay so people will go out and look for jobs that aren't there that is about as dumb as the one Sarah Palin came up with when she said she had foreign policy experience with Russia because she could see Russia it from her back yard...REAL FREAKN SMART
yo Wiz,
those jobs we sent overseas are our jobs. We get the Indonesians at $3 a day w/ no benefits. They make us money. What do have against me and my friends making money off our smarts instead of our sweat?
They are not your jobs. If you have something to offer, put it out there. You have nothing to offer but moaning, blaming, self-righteous blather. Take a walk in the park, ok, in the casino. Look around, bud. Get a grip.
you can not control our borders, our economy or our healthcare when you can not control your own soul. pray
I've been paying attention.
There is real work to be done, but no one but the government to pay for it.
GOP wants to use the bridges, roads and government services, but looks for every loophole in the law to get everything discounted or for free.
I would think that the unemployment extensions would be reasonable, if there were something productive in the works.
But looking around I see nothing coming.
Am I missing something here?
So continuing unemployment extensions is useless.
Rather than stretching this out, Congress should just end it and admit that there is no future.
Let the old people die out.
Let these useless children starve. There is no place for them in the future, since there is no "perceivable" future for most of them anyway.
It's cruel to offer even a glimmer of hope to those, who were not born in the right place at the right time.
Go to college? Why?
Computers and machinery will eventually do the job better, faster and without complaint.
Yes, the gig is up.
People are a damned inconvenience...and there are SO MANY OF THEM!
(break)
GO ANGLE!!! ...and keep going...far, far away. Take your friends and incoherent followers with you.
For America as a whole there are just one job for every six people applying for that job. If those jobs were filled there would still be 5 people without jobs.
Sharron Angle will ride to the rescue as she always does by creating jobs in her mind. Ooh how blissful she must be with a mind unfettered by facts!
Why not offer reduced benefits the longer you are unemployed, say 50% of the regular rate after one year and even less after two years?
You can rest assured that Angle just gained a few more votes today after Obama's immigration speech.
At one point he talked about making it easier for "the best and brightest" to enter the country. Those are NOT people who would take minimum wage jobs, but good paying jobs that there is already too much competition for. And Obama also mentioned finding a way for farmers to hire migrant workers legally. Again, taking jobs out of the market for citizens.
It will be Harry Reid as the point-man for this proposal. You can bet that this will not be popular in Nevada. And I'll bet that Harry never mentions immigration in his ads running up to the election, he knows how many votes he is going to lose every time he does.
To respond to a post above, the Sun made the change to require Facebook registration, I believe, in hopes that the level of dialogue would improve here. I note that the critics of that decision--who also seem to be mainly supporters of Sharron Mangle--have done nothing to elevate that dialogue, since they have nothing with which to elevate a dialogue other than their departure from the premises to someplace more congenial to their way of thinking. A good spot would be 13th century England.
'Twould be good, my dear sir, quite good indeed for SharLron to make landfall somehow.
If 1215 would suit her travel plans, we can arrange a Magna Carta signing and photo opp! She's good with horses, right?
Please advise. L Ron
Anyone aware of Ms. Angle's plan for job creation in Nevada? Seems that this would be pretty important if unemployment benefits were to be taken off the table.
At some point, the cliche "government is bad" rhetoric must end and politicians have to seriously discuss the jobs shortage, with some sort of SPECIFIC plan. (This includes you too Mr. Reid!) I suppose my fear is that there really isn't a plan for job creation in Nevada and we'll all simply have to make do with 12-16% unemployment for another couple years. Man, I hope I'm wrong.
Thanks Sharon,
You sound worse than Palosi and though I will just hate having to vote Harry you leave me no choice. Is this the best you could do? Is this
the best the state has to offer? Oh puleeeze!!!!
I think you have probably lost and all because
of the wild cut em all off attitude you let come
right out of you mouth. So thanks loads!
Anyone aware of Ms. Angle's plan for job creation in Nevada? Seems that this would be pretty important if unemployment benefits were to be taken off the table.
At some point, the cliche "government is bad" rhetoric must end and politicians have to seriously discuss the jobs shortage, with some sort of SPECIFIC plan. (This includes you too Mr. Reid!) I suppose my fear is that there really isn't a plan for job creation in Nevada and we'll all simply have to make do with 12-16% unemployment for another couple of years.
And by the way, whatever happened to the stimulus money that Nevada received last year? The fiscal year is now over and as our unemployment figures continue to rise, shouldn't the Las Vegas Sun be questioning how it was spent?
This woman is a moron. No wonder Harry Reid wanted her to win the nomination.
I ask one simple question: To all the hard working people of Nevada and those citizens looking for work, is this really the type of representative you want working for YOU in Washington, DC. I hardly think so.
Between looking for work and worrying about how to pay my monthly bills and feed my familie, I have also devoted significant time trying to understand our current economical problems. Here are some of my conclusions.
1. Nevada has almost 200,000 unemployed workers.
2. Nevada has over 240,000 illegals - 65% working under the table or with forged documents, while their kids enjoy free education and health care. The rest of them are the breeders that bring another anchor baby in the the world every year.
I worked in the accounting field all of my adult life and feel comfortable doing the math.
It would save our state millions of dollars by denying any form of welfare for illegals. It would bring in millions of dollars from fines levied against employers of illegals. It would make jobs available for citizens.
The conclusion is that Nevada's citizens will be working again and extensions of unemployment benefits would be a mute point.
Here are some opinions of how the issue of illegals should or could be dealt with.
Democrats: "Pave the way to citizenship and let them come out of the shadows". What shadows? They're in our faces every day. Now comes the tricky part. "Fine them and make them pay back taxes". This should be fun and create many jobs for people that will go around asking illegals about their work history. Are we crazy enough to believe that these law breakers will tell us the truth?
Republicans: They don't want to do ANYTHING about it.
Nevada citizens: 70% of all Nevadans want the illegals deported - period! Maybe they will leave on their own when jobs and freebies are denied to them.
Another solution is to go out, round them up and ship them back to their home land with their anchor babies in tow. That will also cost millions of dollars, but at least we get rid of the infestation once and for all. Our home coming soldiers will also need jobs and there would be plenty of border patrol jobs available to them.
Weighing all the options that would get our state out of the recession is to enforce the existing immigration laws by deporting all illegals. It will save our economy in the long run.
Also a word of advice to the mega casino owners, construction companies and other employers of illegals. While you cleanse your work force of illegals, there will be thousands of unemployed citizens happy to take these jobs. So, there is hope for us yet!!!
as grandma would say-
Angle is a meshugana!
richka321,
Bravo!
Rick's got it right.
But I would get them to leave by choice when we eliminate the accepted status quo. Right now they got the jobs, the free rent, ER when they need it, etc, etc. When they CAN'T work, get the freebies and are not greeted as liberators, they will go home, locals'll land a spot, and a semblance of stability will put an end to the plunging employment, desperate landlords and struggling economy.
We should not have to pay to get them home. We supported 'em while they stayed on for several generations, bought their kids great bi-lingual educations, fixed their teeth and got 'em toys found nowhere else - freedom, respect, benevolence, kindness!
Thank you boftx. Knowing that my post was not "politically correct" in some people's eyes, I feel that avoiding the issue is not going to get us anywhere and will get worse. By the way, I legally immigrated to the US many moons ago, started working and paying taxes on the third day after I arrived in the US. I speak 3 languages (not spanish) and NEVER expected or accepted a handout from anyone. I held federal, state and county jobs and it never ceased to amaze me how some people have no shame living off the hard work of others. It's also sad that some people can't differenciate between welfare and unemployment.
With outrageous amounts of money being spent on welfare, free education and health care for illegals, it boggles my mind why the american people are not furiously protesting. Is it really the american mentality - like lambs being led to slaughter? In that case I am very happy being raised in another country with values and the knowledge that I can speak out and hope to make a difference.
Welfare for illegals is just insane.
Nice thought Rick
but there are armies of illegals that require the ER for their free(free to them anyway) and outlandishly expensive dialysis several times a week. If they go back to any of their own countries, they have the right to die on the side of the street. The US won't provide it to them any otherway because they are illegal. So We provide it to them the most expensive way possible. They are dependant on this artificial environment of free handouts that we have created. And their exploding numbers indicate they are thriving in this environment.
And once grandma develops complicated and expensive health care problems, it makes a lot of sense to bring her to The States "to visit" for a while.
Quit whining about illegals and freeloaders and LEARN FROM THEM! Why burden yourself with the cost of health insurance? If you find yourself in a fix and need a doctor- just show up to the ER with a fake name!
Good idea ghettosuprstar, except I don't fit the profile. I don't look like I come from south of the border and would surely be denied. Gee, isn't that racist? On the serious side, I pay my bills and would consider myself a sorry individual if I expected you or other people to pay for anything that is my responsibility.
Do you know what the word "Pride" or the lack of it is in spanish?
Unemployment only empowers self worthless. If you are to collect you should work. Turning over stones on the freeway, sweeping the local street, maybe helping an aged or invalid, teaching crack mom kids right from wrong, there are many things need but are you willing to work min wage for your pay? Of course not, I am an engineer make 200k a year I won't stoop so low.. blah blah, Hey, sell the house, move into a small rental until you can find your dream job..your ancestors never sat around and collect money, they worked. I support Sharron Angle and her idea to help people get back to basics and not depend not depend on government money. You know UC is paid by employers as a tax on their payroll so the more that gets spent the higher the fee so the less the employers can hire. Vicious social cycle.
Well we all know now why "ghetto" is in your name
Thanks for your enlightening jibber
^$%%$^$#^$
peace out
ghetto,
Now THAT is an idea! LOL
Thank You GOP for giving us a senator who had an affair and had his parents pay off the husband. Thank you GOP for giving us a governor who will be or should be indited for perjury, corruption,spousal abuse,jury tampering, etc etc. Thank You GOP for funding our schools so well that we rank last in high school graduation rates and 48th overall. And a VERY big THANK YOU for making Nevada the envy of every good ole boy in South Carolina(the nations former leader in whacko politics) by giving us a senatorial candidate whose beliefs were such an embarrassment that the GOP pulled her website down after her election to hide them. Black helicopters, fluoride communist conspiracy's, second amendment solutions, hiding from the press like Palin, (they can't answer simple questions anyway, so no harm there) she has it all! Thank You GOP for making me so proud of being a Nevadan, that I'm taking a vacation in South Carolina-just to show off !
Wow, so tell me genius's - if a child is brought here when they're 2, spend their entire life here, now they're an adult - what do you propose we do? Send them to a country they've NEVER lived in???
What a AH. I have been on 8 interviews where I actually got to talk to the hiring manager and no job. The only jobs available will not pay my mortgage and family expenses. I may have to walk away and file for welfare.
That is indeed the $64,000 question. And to be perfectly honest, I haven't yet come to a satisfiying conclusion on that.
BLOG QUOTE: The SPECIFIC plan would be you take it in your hands and don't expect the goverment - or whoever - doing it for you.
Sidestepping your spelling inadequacies, your projected level of coherence is either very low or you have an advanced sense of humor...well beyond mine.
Your blogs indicate a spoon-fed childhood that evolved a spoon-fed adulthood.
Just how EXACTLY would an unemployed person "take it into your own hands" be done.
Hey! Are you really Steve Wyrick, the magician?
THAT would explain your proposal.
Filing for bankruptcy and posting only $93,000 in assets against $53 million in debt.
Now that's real magic, baby!!!
"Are there no prisons?" "Plenty of prisons," "And the Union workhouses?" "Are they still in operation?" "They are. Still "The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?" said Scrooge. "Both very busy, sir." ":Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course," said Scrooge. "I'm very glad to hear it." "Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude," returned the gentleman, "a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?" "Nothing!
she can't even spell her name right. only 2 kind of voters will vote for her-rich and the uneducated.
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Keep whining. She is ahead in all the polls. It seems the only people that don't like her are all on this shabby page.
If she wants to help the Nevada economy she would want to INCREASE unemployment benefits ASAP! The unemployed spend $$$ as soon as they get it which helps the economy! She is an IDIOT!
She's dropping in polls just like McCain did. 50-39 now 48-41 with a 4.5% margin of error. The talk radio bootlickers are pulling their hair out trying to prop her up because she can't back up her statements. She wants nuclear waste at Yucca and she wants to take away social security, medicare and unemployment that she considers welfare. (even though her husband gets government money since he worked as a human fence post at the BLM for 20 years holding up a strand of barbed wire.)
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And, sad to say, some pathetic, ignorant people will give away THEIR POWER to this mental midget with their votes. . . .
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Back in 1982, the unemployment rate jumped to higher than it is now (10.8% versus 9.7%). I was in my early twenties, as were most of my friends. Almost everyone I knew, including myself, was laid off from at least one job. At the time I was sure the reason me and my friends were being laid off was that we were the youngest, least experienced workers. I was able to find work, but had to take a substanial pay cut. At the time, I didn't own anything or owe anybody any money, so it really didn't seem like a big deal. The posts here seem to indicate that the people out of jobs are skilled, educated, and experienced. Is this really the case? The figures at http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/emps...
seem to indicate that it is somewhat true. This time, the age/experience level of people without jobs is, though higher for younger people, more spread out over all age groups. This means we have a different problem than in the past. Anybody have ideas on why this is?
jmymac...good observation, good question
technology has reduced the need for the human workforce...considerably.
No one rows the boat anymore. It's either sails with computerized tack controls or an engine purrs with gps at the helm
8 years of George resulted in exacerbating this already mounting problem. Obama's toolbox is empty. All he can do is...nothing but watch and wince at this point
The recession that you mentioned was an early sign of things to come. No one rooted out the common denominator problems to prevent it from happening again.
War does not produce: it costs. That sad misinterpretation in economics is called a perpetually unbalanced equation.
In other words, no one addressed and fixed the problem.
Research the national debt and gross national product for the earlier recession and compare them to the situation now.
Debt will be the world-wide tombstone's epitaph.
Clinton and Gore cleverly averted this "recession" by exploiting the Internet to create imaginary wealth. Clever boys, those two.
Bill and Al just bought time and dumped it on Bush (IQ 92, as opposed to Clinton: IQ 184), who proceeded to make every possible mistake with the aid of his party.
There is no conventional fix for "this one" other than a mass forgiveness of debts, a reduced workweek, free education and an even spread of assets among the "equal" people.
That will be happening around the year &#%()$(@ or thereabouts.
This is the big one, jmymac.
More unpleasant surprises are on their way.
Oh and nitro...shut up. LOL
Someone on here asked where was all the stimulus money "Obama and Reid promised for Nevada?" The Propublica site has just put up some very good charts of how much states and counties have gotten so far, e.g. Nevada:
http://projects.propublica.org/recovery/...
Nevada as a whole has gotten over 2.7 trillion; Clark Co. over 806 million and Washoe Co. over 317 million. Carson City is apparently the listing for federal money to the state as unemployment, Medicaid, SCHIP, etc. and that's 1.2 trillion of the total 2.7 trillion.
Nevada would be MUCH worse off without all this money to keep people in jobs and keep people going who are without jobs.
Reid and Angle...Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumber
Choose your poison.
One wants to delay the pain and crowds with torches and shotguns.
The other bravely shouts, "Bring on the pain...uh, theirs..not mine."
Well...don't just stand there. Choose.
This blogging thing is fun.
See, I'm a writer and no one will read my stuff anywhere else.
City Life turned down my proposed column...
The Inconvenient Reality.
So stay tuned for more of my ridiculous ideas like...oh...
Illegals are just "people in disguise."
Welfare is for the well fare of people, even the "disguised" ones.
According to undocumented research, all of the unemployed people in the Gulf region aren't costing us as much, as the entire BP workforce.
Speaking of holes, why don't the smart people at BP just drill alongside the leak (at a USEFUL Angle) and shoot a million metal balloons down into the oil reserve.
The balloons will float up and plug the leak from the inside and then we can send the evil clowns home.
Yep, a party with lots of balloons and no evil clowns. Thank you for that, Alicia Moore.
And now, let's get back to the unemployment problem in areas, where BP isn't drowning us in oil...
Hey Nitro! You're back!
Nihilist (There's that spelling problem again)...
But you may be right.
When I read what you write, I go,"Huh?"
And nothing comes to mind. (Nil, right?"
Keep writing. You're like the evil Nemesis of Doctor Voral in the Superspider story.
Gotta say: you're fun to play with, Nitro!
OMG!!!!!!!!!! Is this woman for REAL??? Does she REALLY think that the unemployed are NOT looking for jobs? This woman HAS to be STOPPED!!!! There is NO WAY she can become a Senator. Whatever it takes, this woman will never get enough votes. She may be the best thing that EVER happened to Harry Reid. I have applied for more jobs than I can count. I NEED unemployment to get me through UNTIL I GET a job. BUT, Unless they dd a Tier 5, I am out of luck. Will Sharron Angle pay my rent at ther weekly hotel I NOW have to live in since I lost my apartment. IS SHE going to get me WELFARE?? Oh wait I do not qualify (I am not irresponsible having kids that I cannot afford). This woman ONLY got the nomination because Sue Lowden did not have the Republican or Tea Parties behind her.
We have a strange system in operation.
The people, who actually caused and are exacerbating the problem aren't really feeling the pain.
Oh, they see the numbers decreasing alarmingly in their investment portfolio.
But hungry? thrown out onto the street? helplessly seeing their children's future sliding into oblivion?
It isn't time for a change.
We've had enough change, tweaking the systems.
It's time for a change in DIRECTION.
It's time to slam on the brakes and radically change direction.
We need NEW IDEAS and we need them NOW!
That's BRAKEOUT!!!